Getzen Severinsen LB question

giakara · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:29 am Post subject: Getzen Severinsen LB question

Hello guys , I want to confirm a info that read before some time , is true that the vintage eterna Severinsen LB models was the exactly the same with the ML horns accept that they had a a large bore .464 tuning slide.
If you have any other expiriance with those two models specialy about the feel and blow it will be very interest.

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Fusion2002 · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:19 am Post subject:

The LB comes with two tuning slides, a .458, and a .460 (the smaller slide has .458 engraved on the bottom of the slide, the .460 is blank) The horn itself has a .468 bore, measured at the 2nd valve slide. I have a 1968 LB horn, and measured with a digital caliper, and found my horn to match what I described above.
Some later models are .464 which was due to some technical reasons with buffing. There are a few threads on this site that discuss this in more detail.

I hope this helps!

giakara · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:24 am Post subject:

Thanks very useful info's, did you now if the ML horns comes with two slides also or is just for LB horns.

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JeffM729 · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:29 am Post subject:

If I remember correctly the ML bore Severinsen only came with one slide, but if you contacted Getzen they would ship the larger slide at no extra charge back in 1972.

HERMOKIWI · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 2581

When I purchased a vintage LB Getzen Eterna Severinsen for my collection several years ago I was surprised that when I measured the 2nd valve slide it turned out to be .460. So, I spoke with the people at Getzen and they told me that the LB and ML were exactly the same horn except for the the tubing from the mouthpiece receiver to the lower tuning slide receiver where it enters the third valve casing.
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buglebliz · New Member Joined: 21 Oct 2015 Posts: 4

I use this horn as my primary horn and have both slides. To give you some perspective, I've tried doing a "blind swap" of the slides and really have been unable to distinguish any marginal difference in feel.
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giakara · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:34 am Post subject:

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Correct. LB.
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giakara · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:05 am Post subject:

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giakara · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:54 am Post subject:

Ok now is clear, thanks and sorry again for my English.

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giakara · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:35 am Post subject:

So the two horns are different only in leadpipe section as the tuning slide on LB horn is .460 and smaller right?

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Speed · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:48 am Post subject:

I'm more confused now than when this thread started.

One post said that the LB diameter at the second valve was .460 (i.e., the same as the ML). Another said it was .468, with a comment that some later ones may have been .464. Is it possible that Getzen varied the "LB" diameter at the second valve to that degree during the production years?

One post said that the LB models came with two tuning slides. I have seen numerous posts in the past stating that the ML models in the 1960s came with two tuning slides, but this thread is the first one I've seen that addressed that question for LB models. Did the LB and the ML models both come with two tuning slides in the 1960s?

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Fusion2002 · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:47 pm Post subject:

I'll just post pictures to clear this up...

And I'm actually surprised by my measurements of the non labeled tuning slide... The non labeled slide comes in at .468, which contradicts the envelope the second slide came in.

Also one more clarification, This horn originally had levers on it, but I had Jim Becker at Osmun swap them out for Amado's when I had the horn Blueprinted.

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And the envalope that came in the case.

Speed · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:36 pm Post subject:

Thanks for taking the time to make the measurements and take the pictures.

The biggest surprise I had from those posts was the difference in the diameter at the second valve - .468 on a 1960s horn and .460 on a 1970s horn.

One of my all time favorite trumpets was a 1960s Severinsen that my father bought for me, second hand, but not a scratch or dent on it. I was not sophisticated enough to look to see whether it was a LB or not, but it was the most open blowing trumpet I have ever played. I have no record of the serial number, and it left my hands in a trade many years ago. While I have an early '70s ML (which is presently on loan to my nephew), it is not as open as I remember my old one being. Of course, that could be a problem with my memory rather than the ML horn.

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James Becker · Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:49 pm Post subject:

For the record, Getzen LB models were originally .468", but were reduced to .464" sometime the mid '80s. The optional Severinsen Eterna slide was .458". Vintage (new old stock) Eterna .458" slides are still available from Allied Supply while they last. Anyone that is interested in purchasing one can contact me at Osmun Music by emailing jbecker@osmun.com

I hope this is helpful.
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Tony Scodwell · Heavyweight Member Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 1960

As usual, James Becker is correct. Go to the bank on his knowledge. A little tid-bit I can add is during my years with Getzen the decision was made to make a LB version of the very popular Eterna model. Then, as is now, players seemed to feel the need of a larger bore trumpet. Getzen responded with their LB model at .468 which was the same O.D. tubing as the ML version with a thinner wall giving an I.D. of .468. That LB model was produced for a few years and feedback from pro players convinced them that .464 was a better way to go. Imagine that, players felt the original LB version was too big. Anyway, the .464 remained in the line-up. As for the tuning slides offered in various bore sizes, Doc himself never could accept the fact that "his" trumpets weren't .459 like his beloved Bachs, hence the tuning slides offered to reduce the bore. From the get go the Eterna was .460 and as Kiefer made their bells at that time, all were of a two piece design instead of a one piece which Severinsen preferred. It was about money and rumor has it there was a Bach bell on his personal trumpet. I should've tried to collect that $10,000 reward.

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Manuel de los Campos · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Getzen LB Eterna