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Ricsim88
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just received a brass 1L plus. Which is equivalent to a 1 1/4 C. Having played on a Bach 1 1/4 24/24 for the last few weeks, while loving the sound and hating the rim, I can say that the Lotus is miles ahead in terms of comfort, tone production and tone quality. It also feels like the notes, mostly upper range, are not as high as they are. Very interesting feeling.
For me it’s definitely a keeper.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I recently acquired a new LOTUS mouthpiece. Its a 2XL+ which is equivalent to a Bach 1 1/2B. I plan on making some more formal videos about it in the upcoming weeks, so if anyone has any particular questions send me a message.

Adam has spoken on a number of occasions how these very deep cup mouthpieces benefit from the 'LOTUS design' that makes the high register more playable than on other-brand deep cup mouthpieces.

I won't pass too much comment on this yet, but for those who are interested; here is a short clip (after a couple of hours acclimation on day 1) demonstrating a three octave range on the mouthpiece. For a 1/2B equivalent, I was impressed.

https://www.facebook.com/trumpetbrain/videos/901204130255236/


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do these differ from Monette mouthpieces ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CJceltics33 wrote:
How do these differ from Monette mouthpieces ?


I can’t comment on this as I have never played a Monette. But they both seem to claim the same benefits.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I know this is a slightly old thread but I thought I would share this new video I have just uploaded in which I am using a LOTUS 2XL+.


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The XL cups are really deep and I wouldn't ordinarily choose to play a 'B-cup' style. What I find so impressive about the LOTUS mps is that (when you play them in the 'correct' manner) they offer an extraordinary level of efficiency and stability across the range. For this video it allowed me to achieve (hopefully!) a far brighter sound ('Hollywood appropriate') than I would ordinarily be comfortable generating on such a deep mouthpiece, but with some of the breadth, richness (again; hopefully!) and security that comes from playing a mouthpiece shape like this. Normally, I would have to play a more standard cup depth in order to have the same confidence in the middle-high register.

I hope the clip is enjoyable and supports my observations!

Thanks for your time!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice sound - nice playing
Playing on a Lotus mouthpiece myself, I can only agree it is a great mouthpiece, when you take the right approach.
Took me some time getting used to not overblowing and not using too much pressure/power ... but it finally starts to pay off.
And best part of all, when using my previous main mouthpiece (GR 66.9L which seems to produce a bit more overtones and has a bit more brilliant sound) I'm now also able to use the same approach I use on the Lotus mouthpiece (something I was not able to do previously).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiemelen wrote:
nice sound - nice playing
Playing on a Lotus mouthpiece myself, I can only agree it is a great mouthpiece, when you take the right approach.
Took me some time getting used to not overblowing and not using too much pressure/power ... but it finally starts to pay off.
And best part of all, when using my previous main mouthpiece (GR 66.9L which seems to produce a bit more overtones and has a bit more brilliant sound) I'm now also able to use the same approach I use on the Lotus mouthpiece (something I was not able to do previously).


Could you elaborate some on the "correct approach"? I'm intrigued by the claims, and by the description of things being "easier". But I don't really know what that means from player to player.

In the most basic sense I usually think of playing as a system that needs balance of some kind. If you are more relaxed here, you need some compensation there...etc. Does that fit into any of the Lotus design?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

acritzer wrote:

Could you elaborate some on the "correct approach"? I'm intrigued by the claims, and by the description of things being "easier". But I don't really know what that means from player to player.

In the most basic sense I usually think of playing as a system that needs balance of some kind. If you are more relaxed here, you need some compensation there...etc. Does that fit into any of the Lotus design?


Well I'm just an amateur, but let me try to explain what my experiences are so far :

1) Lower register: not much difference with my GR mouthpiece besides sound (which is a matter of taste). Although I do have to say the Lotus has a very easy/light attack.

2) Higher register : My ranges hasn't increased, but I wasn't expecting that (maybe only hoping ). Like mentioned by many others, playing the high register feels/is easier. However, when using lots of power/force in the high register, I seem to tire more quickly. When backing off and playing more focussed, I can hit the same range and tire less quickly. BUT, it did take some time to get there and I'm still working on it. In the beginning, my fellow trumpet players noticed that my sound wasn't as full and powerfull in the higher register (above the staff). Partially caused because I didn't use enough air. Have been able to mainly solve this issue by playing lots of Caruso.

3) Sound : Matter of taste of course. Nice rounded sound, sometimes a bit harder to push it in order to get a more brighter sound.

4) Endurance : This is a tricky one and probably also personal. But like mentioned before, endurance is the same or even a bit better when backing off a bit.

5) Breath : I do need to take breaths more often. The Lotus requires more air to maintain the same air stream, specially above the staff.

6) Bindings : These are amazing with the Lotus. I'm now binding notes effortless, which for some notes, I never could do before. Finally I don't need to be jealous anymore of fellow trumpet players who can bind all notes like it is a piece of cake.

7) Hitting notes : My old Yamaha has some pretty loose slotting. However, when using the Lotus, it seems like notes have a specific place you need to hit in order for them and to be in tune. I noticed the same thing some time ago when playing a Yamaha Chicago in combination with my GR. But then it was the trumpet making the requirement, now it's the mouthpiece.

8 ) Saliver : Funny one, but ever since using the Lotus, I need to empty my spitvalves more often.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Not sure who the question was addressed to, so apologies if you weren't asking me!

Obviously, the first thing to say (which Adam and Henrik tend to be very open about), its not a miracle cure for one's playing problems; if there are things you can't do then a LOTUS mouthpiece won't suddenly give you those abilities. However, when used the 'correct' way, I have found it has made virtually all elements of my playing easier and more efficient, which in itself can feel a bit miraculous!

In terms of defining the 'correct' way, everyone will have their own individual experiences and I can only speak for myself. Its not dissimilar to the Monette concept; on 'conventional' mouthpieces (some of which I love very much) I have realised I added a certain degree of tension to 'excite' the high register, and equally forced down the lower register to make it broader. With the LOTUS + models I have found that you simply can't play like this; the high register goes wildly out of tune or ceases to come out whatsoever, and the low register quickly becomes ugly and dull. Over the course of a week or so I had to teach myself to play in a far more 'neutral' manner, you still ascend and descend with the same mechanisms but must do so without the added tension or forced slotting. It may sound slightly cliched, but when I find this zone everything suddenly opens up and it is genuinely amazing how much easier it can feel to cover the range of the instrument.

Its undoubtedly true that I am probably (a month or so in) still adjusting, but at this point I have started to notice a strange (but positive) phenomenon. The manner in which I fatigue has changed, if I finish a really heavy session I don't feel tight like I used to. Of course, my lips may still be a bit swollen or I may have a general feeling of being 'puffed out' but it certainly gives the sensation of being far less tired than I would have expected. Its very reassuring and I think does support the idea that the mouthpiece has allowed me to play in a more efficient manner than I could before.

The only negative point I have experienced comes if I lapse back into my old habits, which totally negates all the advantages I have outlined below. The more I get used to it though, the less this occurs!

I hope this could be of some help and provides a balanced and fair assessment.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a bunch, mostly with 3 rims to try out. I ended up liking the 2 rim best, so they are for sale.

PM me for a list.

I like the annealed brass ones best, but that's just me.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Brain wrote:
Hi,

I know this is a slightly old thread but I thought I would share this new video I have just uploaded in which I am using a LOTUS 2XL+.


Link


The XL cups are really deep and I wouldn't ordinarily choose to play a 'B-cup' style. What I find so impressive about the LOTUS mps is that (when you play them in the 'correct' manner) they offer an extraordinary level of efficiency and stability across the range. For this video it allowed me to achieve (hopefully!) a far brighter sound ('Hollywood appropriate') than I would ordinarily be comfortable generating on such a deep mouthpiece, but with some of the breadth, richness (again; hopefully!) and security that comes from playing a mouthpiece shape like this. Normally, I would have to play a more standard cup depth in order to have the same confidence in the middle-high register.

I hope the clip is enjoyable and supports my observations!

Thanks for your time!


Wow, you weren’t kidding about the bright sound with this setup, if you hadn’t said you were using deep mpc I would certainly thought you were on something quite shallow! My old university jazz ensemble professor used a setup like this, a very deep Hammond mpc for everything from Mahler to Bill Chase (he was in the actual Chase band years back, though I think that predated Hammond mpcs!), and somehow he achieved a (generally) appropriate sound for all of them.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi bike&ed,

Yes, and I'm glad it wasn't just me hearing it bright.

That's a very impressive feat by your old teacher, wish I could pull off that trick!

I should add that this mouthpiece naturally sounds very dark and broad, as you would expect with those kind of dimensions. The fact that it can be pushed to sound bright like this, without requiring an unduly high effort, is what I find so impressive.

Have you played any LOTUS equipment?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not tried Lotus mpcs myself, but a good friend (full-time professional player) has tried several models, and liked them a lot. I’m currently quite satisfied with my Mt Vernon 3C, Marcinkiewicz Vizzutti, and Schilke 1.25 ‘Fluffy,’ but I always enjoy trying other equipment. I used to be quite gear-obsessed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:27 am    Post subject: Lotus Reply with quote

Does the Lotus 3L+ feel just like a Bach 3C diameter wise? I know this might depend on the shape of the rim. Or. maybe like a Warburton 4 diameter.
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