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Bstradivarius Veteran Member
Joined: 01 Mar 2017 Posts: 146 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:37 am Post subject: Lefreque - more expensive materials |
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I have the red brass already. Good results on some of my horns. Has any of you made the jump to the sterling silver lefreak? That's a $150 difference in price. That's a lot! Thoughts appreciated. _________________ Jon J
Principal trumpet - Symphony Orchestra
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Brass Quintet
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plunkett Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2002 Posts: 564 Location: Wheeling, WV
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:04 am Post subject: |
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I use the silver one on my flute, but haven't thought about trying it on my trumpet... Maybe I should - except my trumpet is raw brass. Hmmm... _________________ Pat Plunkett |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:31 am Post subject: |
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I tried the $5000 gold one at NAMM yesterday (among others). Pretty incredible results. I was absolutely amazed! Blown away.
Gotta decide which material is best bang for the buck and then pull the trigger. I’M A BELIEVER NOW! |
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Jerry wrote: | I tried the $5000 gold one at NAMM yesterday (among others). Pretty incredible results. I was absolutely amazed! | Could you tell the difference between brass, silver and gold?
Are they exactly the same other than material used? That is, same shape, same weight, same construction so that any differences you can discern are due to the material and nothing else. |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:42 am Post subject: |
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ProAm wrote: | Jerry wrote: | I tried the $5000 gold one at NAMM yesterday (among others). Pretty incredible results. I was absolutely amazed! | Could you tell the difference between brass, silver and gold?
Are they exactly the same other than material used? That is, same shape, same weight, same construction so that any differences you can discern are due to the material and nothing else. |
With the same shape and size, two objects made from different materials will have the same weight only if they have equal density. |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:56 am Post subject: |
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ProAm wrote: | Jerry wrote: | I tried the $5000 gold one at NAMM yesterday (among others). Pretty incredible results. I was absolutely amazed! | Could you tell the difference between brass, silver and gold? Yes
CAre they exactly the same other than material used?
Yes, except for weight.. That is, same shape, same weight, same construction so that any differences you can discern are due to the materiall and nothing else. | When I first went over to the booth, I asked the fellow if I could try playing one to see if I could tell a difference. I believe he put a silver one on. Me and the guy standing next to me observing could certainly discern a difference with the silver one on. I then asked to try the cheapest one he sold and the most expensive one he sold. There certainly was a drastic difference between the two materials. Not only did the sound improve but the response of the cheap student horn we were using impro e greatly as well.
( it’s a real pain in the ass trying to do this on iPhone compared to doing this on a real computer keyboard. ) |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9027 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Is it attached where the trumpet mouthpiece meets the lead pipe, making a bridge there? Also, are the two parts riding piggy-back on one another or are they on opposites from each other? Thanks.
$5,000.00? The most expensive I see is $326.00.
BTW, before opening the thread, I thought you were talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1qQ1SKNlgY _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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Voltrane Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 629 Location: Paris (France)
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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$ 5 000?
Are you sure it is not spelled « Le fric » (the money in argotic French)? |
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Voltrane Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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$ 5 000?
Are you sure it is not spelled « Le fric » (the money in argotic French)? |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Have tried silver and brass. The brass helps, but you have to do some serious playing around to be sure it helps. The silver is evident immediately. A friend, however, tried and didn’t notice anything from the silver |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:28 am Post subject: |
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I think I tried all of them at the NAMM booth, including a platinum one. I liked the gold the best but cannot afford the $5k. I preferred the non-plated silver next. I thought I would have liked the gold-plated silver but I preferred the non-plated silver. At around $235, I'll very likely pull the trigger the next time I talk to the HornTrader, my local Le Freque dealer. |
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dstpt Heavyweight Member
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:18 am Post subject: |
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The $5K gold one I tried was significantly thicker than all of the others I tried.
Also, the small sizes did not give me the effect that the larger ones did. |
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dstpt Heavyweight Member
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:22 am Post subject: |
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He had 3 sizes: 33, 41, and much larger. The 41 is the size I plan on purchasing. |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I'm highly skeptical of claims that a gadget attached to a trumpet in good playing condition improves anything to an "incredible," "amazing" or "blown away" degree. When things sound too good to be true it's usually because they aren't true, they're being hyped, there's something in it for the people making the claims.
If this was as revolutionary as some people claim don't you think all the trumpet manufacturers would start including something similar in the horns they produce? Is there any reason that a trumpet manufacturer wouldn't want to gain an advantage over its competitors by incorporating this "wonder technology" into their horns?
Mass producing this by making it a part of every horn would bring down the cost significantly. Even restricting this to "professional" level horns would bring down the cost significantly. In a world in which manufacturers try to convince potential buyers that "our horn is better than their horn" it only makes sense that manufacturers would embrace anything that makes their horns "incredibly," "amazingly" or "blown away" better, especially a simple gadget that's just an add-on, something that doesn't have to be incorporated into the body of the horn.
How about a reliable scientific explanation supporting these claims? kalijah (Darryl Jones), what do you think? _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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HERMOKIWI wrote: | I'm highly skeptical of claims that a gadget attached to a trumpet in good playing condition improves anything to an "incredible," "amazing" or "blown away" degree. |
I was, too, until I tried them. If I hadn't heard it with my own ears, I'd still be skeptical. Now I'm a believer.
HERMOKIWI, when you get a chance, give 'em a blow. Your opinion might change. |
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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etc-etc wrote: | ProAm wrote: | Jerry wrote: | I tried the $5000 gold one at NAMM yesterday (among others). Pretty incredible results. I was absolutely amazed! | Could you tell the difference between brass, silver and gold?
Are they exactly the same other than material used? That is, same shape, same weight, same construction so that any differences you can discern are due to the material and nothing else. |
With the same shape and size, two objects made from different materials will have the same weight only if they have equal density. |
Heh, whoops. You’re right. |
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Jerry wrote: | HERMOKIWI wrote: | I'm highly skeptical of claims that a gadget attached to a trumpet in good playing condition improves anything to an "incredible," "amazing" or "blown away" degree. |
I was, too, until I tried them. If I hadn't heard it with my own ears, I'd still be skeptical. Now I'm a believer.
HERMOKIWI, when you get a chance, give 'em a blow. Your opinion might change. |
If you can, since you’ve tried this device and I haven’t, try the lead tape test.
Get some what I think is lead tape that golfers use to add weight to clubs in certain places. Then try wrapping it around the mouthpiece and onto the receiver. I think this stuff is readily available and inexpensive.
If the point is to “bridge the gap” between the mouthpiece and the horn, any old weight should work.
I think I would try spending a few dollars before I spent tens of dollars. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3306 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Have listeners also noticed a change / improvement in the sound quality?
It might be that the device enhances the sound that the player hears or feels, but doesn't affect at greater distance.
I don't understand the function of the device on a brass instrument that already has a secure metal-on-metal connection between the shank of the mpc and the receiver / leadpipe
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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