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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:15 am Post subject: Ever Blow Out Your 2nd Slide? |
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So I'm in the middle of the out chorus on 'Sposin and my 2nd slide rockets across the room. Very surprising. What to do? Slide grease? Super glue? Orange marmalade? _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Have a good tech expand the inner slide tubes to fit tight again. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks! (In the meantime, marmalade is doing the trick.) _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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Flip Oakes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 532 Location: Oceanside, CA USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Hello Jim!
To answer your question.... Yes !!
I was a senior in HS., it was during the Spring Concert 1967 at Fallbrook HS in Fallbrook Ca. I was playing a Olds Super that my dad bought me in 1962. I had a little 6 pc. Dixieland band in HS, called the Dixie Lads, and we were playing Rosetta when this happened while I was playing my solo. The best part is it's recorded on the LIVE 1967 LP the school had made that year. I still have the recording, and should get it out and give it a listen again. I really don't remember what I did, but after the tune was to locate it and shove it back in. It's something I've never forgotten. It's great to hear it has happened to someone else. All these years I thought I was the only one... Ha....
Take Care,
Flip Oakes _________________ Flip Oakes “Wild Thing Trumpets”
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, Flip! Good to know I’m in such an exclusive club! _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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dmamazon Veteran Member
Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 177 Location: Hilliard, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Back in October one of my students that plays in a brass band with me had just purchased a BRAND NEW Eclipse Cornet. I asked at one rehearsal if we could swap just so I could check out the new horn while he borrowed my Besson Prestige.
We were playing an arrangement of "Psychopomp"...not really a chart associated with british brass bands...there is an extremely heavy accent on just a simple second ledger line A above the staff... when we got there and I hit it to my horror the 2nd slide shot across the room...the whole band saw and heard it and we had to stop...there was much laughter...i ran over to pick up the slide fearing the worst....it was thank God undamaged lol.
My student of course yelled jokingly across the band "can I pull your 2nd slide out and throw it on the ground" |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:29 am Post subject: Re: Ever Blow Out Your 2nd Slide? |
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jhatpro wrote: | So I'm in the middle of the out chorus on 'Sposin and my 2nd slide rockets across the room. Very surprising. What to do? Slide grease? Super glue? Orange marmalade? |
Jim, as an interim measure, rub some wax on the moving parts. _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
1962 Conn Victor 5A cornet |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Good tip. Not as sticky as marmalade! _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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I did the same thing, twice in a rehearsal last month for the "Winborne's Led Zeppelin" show. Using an old Schilke B3 that I've had lying around for years. I "fixed" it the easy way when I went home between rehearsal and gig- out a very slight flat spot on the ferrule with a plastic mallet and it's stayed ever since. Doesn't seem to leak, I'll have my tech guy look at it when I get a break. Have to admit it suprised the hell out of the person on the right twice to have it fly past him. Would've been more difficult in the show because stage was dark... Just another one to add to the books. |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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This all reminds me of a story I heard Wayne Bergeron tell:
He said that as a freshman at his high school in California he blew so hard he herniated his neck and developed a bulge he was self conscious about so to help cover it up his aunt made him a choker like surfers were wearing at the time.
Everything was cool until he stepped up at a concert to wail on La Virgin Macarena and the choker exploded and showered the audience with little white beads!
The audience thought it was part of the show and gave him an extra big hand! _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Never the second valve crook for me, but the dump crook on the third used to pop off regularly for me. Normally after picking up the horn from its stand and returning the drooped slide before playing.
That error has the added ping as the crook hits the bell. |
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ProAm Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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I heard that Mark Clodfelter had his second valve assembly detach from his horn during an orchestra concert. He held it in place while continuing to play to finish the show. |
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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Yes, mine came out during a piece of Gabrieli, in a concert.
A great lesson in why you should always learn every available alternative fingering |
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tptptp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Once, I took my horn out of its Torpedo and blew a few notes, only to find the 1st slide missing. Found it in the bottom of the Torpedo. Good reason to check all your parts before playing! _________________ Craig Mitchell |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Never the 2nd, that I recall. I have had the 3rd dump slide pop off.
If a good lube like anhydrous lanolin doesn't hold it then get a tech to open up the tubes slightly and be done with the problem. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:05 am Post subject: Re: Ever Blow Out Your 2nd Slide? |
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jhatpro wrote: | So I'm in the middle of the out chorus on 'Sposin and my 2nd slide rockets across the room. Very surprising. What to do? Slide grease? Super glue? Orange marmalade? |
The other day I sat testing my brand new Yamaha 6335RC. Suddenly I hear a "pop" and something "touches down" on the floor. Much to my dismay and shock I find 2 nd slide on the floor. Putting it back again I find that it doesn´t slide as easily as before. However a light twist puts it back in order. Pwew!
Talk about compression (=realizing why my old King feels a bit heavy these days......)and imagine my horror, brand new, gulp!
Maybe a rubberband might prevent future disasters? _________________ Cornets:
Getzen Custom Series Schilke 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Ever Blow Out Your 2nd Slide? |
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Seymor B Fudd wrote: | jhatpro wrote: | So I'm in the middle of the out chorus on 'Sposin and my 2nd slide rockets across the room. Very surprising. What to do? Slide grease? Super glue? Orange marmalade? |
The other day I sat testing my brand new Yamaha 6335RC. Suddenly I hear a "pop" and something "touches down" on the floor. Much to my dismay and shock I find 2 nd slide on the floor. Putting it back again I find that it doesn´t slide as easily as before. However a light twist puts it back in order. Pwew!
Talk about compression (=realizing why my old King feels a bit heavy these days......)and imagine my horror, brand new, gulp!
Maybe a rubberband might prevent future disasters? |
Not if it is silver. Rubber bands can have sulphur in them. Tarnish on silver is due to sulphur. |
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:28 am Post subject: Bach third dump slide |
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I used to convert a lot of Bach C trumpets to tunable bells (when that was in fashion) and one of the things I always added was a stop screw and waterkey on the third slide as Bach did not fit these as standard. I also took many dents out of Bach third slides too. At one of the ITG conferences I was at, I asked Ted Wagoner (head man at Bach) why they didn't fit a stop screw or waterkey on the C trumpet third slide. While he was explaining to me the reason ("Vincent Bach didn't fit these so we don't now") the third slide of the new Bach C I was holding vertically hit the floor. After picking it up I asked Ted if my point was made. Good laughs all around.
Tony Scodwell
www.scodwellusa.com
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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You should have asked for a discount due to damage. |
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