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JetJaguar
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:55 pm    Post subject: Double Buzz Survey Reply with quote

Hello Everyone,

I've put together an online survey for people who have experienced and cured, or are currently experiencing double buzz. There is a such a myriad of causes and cures, I thought it would be good to put some statistics together on it for the benefit of all who need help with this.

It's located here: Double Buzz Survey

Thanks
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JetJaguar
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to encourage any sufferers of double buzz to take this survey. Later this weekend, when Google Drive isn't mixing up my files, I'll post excerpts from the 8 responses received so far.

Survey location is https://goo.gl/JUuaNn

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully you get at least 1000 qualified replies!
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JetJaguar
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SURVEY RESULTS

We're up to 19 replies so far. I'm very happy with that. But keep them coming!

Here are some results. I didn't post all of the free form comments:

https://sites.google.com/view/doublebuzz/home

To take the survey yourself, go to https://goo.gl/JUuaNn

thanks
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Harry Hilgers
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jetjaguar wrote:
SURVEY RESULTS

We're up to 19 replies so far.

You should have at least 20 now
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JetJaguar
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 27 responses now. Below the graphs are anonymous text comments left by responders.

Latest results here: https://sites.google.com/view/doublebuzz/home
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 36 Responses now: https://goo.gl/UM7Yjd
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JetJaguar
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came across this article in Jazz Times about chop issues. Brad Goode features in it prominently. It addresses what I'm going through. I've already pm'd Brad.

Note, I could not get the article to display in Chrome, but it works in Internet Explorer: https://jazztimes.com/departments/education/lip-injuries-trumpet-playing-an-unhappy-marriage/
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't exactly sure what 'Double Buzz' was and found this video, which I'm sure most of you have seen, but I'll stick it in here for others who might not know what 'DB' is.

I've experienced double buzz many times in the past and it was when I was totally exhausted. After I would rest up it would disappear.



Link

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Trompette111
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I am to become tired I can find this 'double buzz', but this is not often
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took survey!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrhappy wrote:
I wasn't exactly sure what 'Double Buzz' was and found this video, which I'm sure most of you have seen, but I'll stick it in here for others who might not know what 'DB' is.

I've experienced double buzz many times in the past and it was when I was totally exhausted. After I would rest up it would disappear.



Link


Thanks for the video, it's interesting. It is strange that he had not seen him before.
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JetJaguar
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are now 52 responses to the survey. You can access the results at https://goo.gl/UM7Yjd
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JetJaguar
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an update on my own buzz. What finally worked for me was returning to the strengthening exercises I had been given long ago, but was no longer doing completely, or consistently. Two octaves of long tones, starting at G in the middle of the staff then up a step, then down a step from the G, then up 2 steps, then down 2 steps, until the last two tones are lowest G and G atop the staff. Most important is an air attack, start pp and increase to ff or fff, then back down to pp until running out of air. Getting loud is not for learning to play loud, but rather to strengthen the lips, like lifting a heavier weight. Then lip slurs. the first few are simple and progress chromatically down through all the fingerings. Then some slurs that go one interval higher each time. The first tops out at G above the staff, and the 5th one is the same pattern but ascends to E above the staff. I do this every day and it has mostly subdued the buzz. There was marked improvement after 2 weeks. It's tiring, so if you're working on a part you need to perform, work on that part first and do these long tones and slurs after you've worked on your performance practicing. My chops have gotten much stronger, and in addition to kicking the buzz out of the buzz, I have less tendency for one side of my embouchure to weaken and leak when tired or strained. It's just good old fashioned strength training. I'll work on publishing these exercises. I credit my late teacher, Merle Coady.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:57 pm    Post subject: Double Buzz Reply with quote

I have had a double buzz a few times before but it always resolved on its own.
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JetJaguar
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are now 70 responses recorded.
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markolen
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject: double buzz Reply with quote

no problem here.
Use you full diaphragm and keep your corners firm
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double buzz for me only happens if I am playing extremely loud, in gig situations where I'm having a hard time hearing myself, so my aperture is wide open and I'm blowing my face off.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went through a patch of that annoying double buzz when I would start up in the morning. It lasted for about 4 months. Everytime it happened, I would stop and reset which seemed to fix it. It eventually went away. Hope that helps.
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John Mohan
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: double buzz Reply with quote

markolen wrote:
no problem here.
Use you full diaphragm and keep your corners firm



Not that he'll respond, but I'd love to know how one is supposed to "use" an involuntary muscle of inspiration to play a trumpet.

And here it is:

https://www.trumpetherald.com/marketplace.php?task=detail&id=119633&s=Leblanc-Paris-Bb-Trumpet

markolen wrote:
Have to sacrifice to pay for my daughter's wedding. Includes a 7C mouthpiece.
Don't miss out on this steal!


Well, weddings are expensive...
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