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SilentBang Regular Member
Joined: 29 Dec 2014 Posts: 48 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:25 pm Post subject: Where should I apply? |
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Hey everyone,
I know this has been discussed ad nauseam, but I have read through the other postings and they're either dated or really specific. Teachers move around a lot and programs change over time so maybe a new thread is warranted.
I'm going into senior year in HS looking to major in classical performance- maybe combined with Ed. I'm looking for a smallish trumpet studio with great teachers surrounded by a good program. Nice facilities would be a plus (I've had my fill of practicing in bathrooms for now haha) I'd also like to avoid too many auditions because my school won't allow me to miss that many days before I lose credit in classes. I'm not sure which schools I should be looking at that I am not so any input would be great.
Here are the schools I am applying to:
Hartt
Indiana
Bard
UGA
Juilliard
Northwestern
Curtis
U of Maryland
What schools am I missing?
Thanks a bunch,
Ben |
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royjohn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2272 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
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Arizona State --- David Hickman?
Far from home, though... _________________ royjohn
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SilentBang Regular Member
Joined: 29 Dec 2014 Posts: 48 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:46 am Post subject: |
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royjohn wrote: | Arizona State --- David Hickman?
Far from home, though... |
Not an issue, the farther the better-
I'll check it out |
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snichols Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:51 am Post subject: |
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As a side note to this thread, if you end up doing Performance, I would recommend studying some jazz/improvising while you're at school. I really wish I had done that, as that will open the door to a lot more job/gig opportunities. Just a thought. |
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Trumpet1998 New Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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You should apply to Vanderbilt. Jose Sibaja is the new trumpet professor and he is amazing. |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Where ever you end up, be certain you also have a Plan B as your prospective field is not exactly growing and neither is the money. Good luck, though, and lots plan on lots of practice and making connections. |
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Insensato Veteran Member
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University of Maryland College Park allows for a great dual degree program with a Music Ed degree and a Performance degree completed in 4.5 years (one extra semester). _________________ Every Villain Is Lemons |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Rice - Barbara Butler and Charly Geyer |
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ADziuk Heavyweight Member
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I would suggest you seriously rethink your list unless you believe you are at the level where you can win a full ride or close to it at a number of those institutions.
They are all good schools but over half that list will put you six figures in debt for your undergrad alone. No school, or teacher, is worth that kind of investment for undergraduate music degrees. Northwestern is approaching $70,000 a year. That means even if you won a massive scholarship covering half your costs you would still be an eye watering $140,000 in debt with nothing but an undergrad degree in hand when you are done.
I did my masters at Indiana, but I had a scholarship that covered all my tuition and then some. Scholarships like that are not even available at most undergrad schools. The big money is saved for grad. students.
You need to at least add some public colleges in your state or in your area that will have MUCH more reasonable tuition. _________________ "Everyone should carefully observe which way his heart draws him, and then choose that way with all his strength." |
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Martinharris Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:46 am Post subject: |
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You don't want to be auditioning for all of those!! That's an expensive waste of time! Audition for 4 or 5 |
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Steve A Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:09 am Post subject: |
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ADziuk wrote: | I would suggest you seriously rethink your list unless you believe you are at the level where you can win a full ride or close to it at a number of those institutions... Northwestern is approaching $70,000 a year. That means even if you won a massive scholarship covering half your costs you would still be an eye watering $140,000 in debt with nothing but an undergrad degree in hand when you are done.
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Good advice! This is hard to know/see in high school, but simply paying for your housing, food, and the interest on a debt like that is more than many music grads can make after graduation. (Note: that's not saying anything about paying down the actual debt itself - this would mean everything you can make would be swallowed up by effectively treading water, maybe indefinitely.) No matter how good your school is, when you get out of school, you'll be up against everyone else in the whole market, and it's hugely unlikely that you'll be making gobs of money. Taking on an unmanageable debt is one of the surest ways to sink yourself. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Steve A wrote: | ADziuk wrote: | I would suggest you seriously rethink your list unless you believe you are at the level where you can win a full ride or close to it at a number of those institutions... Northwestern is approaching $70,000 a year. That means even if you won a massive scholarship covering half your costs you would still be an eye watering $140,000 in debt with nothing but an undergrad degree in hand when you are done.
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Good advice! This is hard to know/see in high school, but simply paying for your housing, food, and the interest on a debt like that is more than many music grads can make after graduation. (Note: that's not saying anything about paying down the actual debt itself - this would mean everything you can make would be swallowed up by effectively treading water, maybe indefinitely.) No matter how good your school is, when you get out of school, you'll be up against everyone else in the whole market, and it's hugely unlikely that you'll be making gobs of money. Taking on an unmanageable debt is one of the surest ways to sink yourself. |
I agree that this is something to consider. Building on this theme, are there any good programs in NJ, where the OP lives, where in-state tuition could help to mitigate the cost of a music degree?
Back when I went to college, William Patterson and New Jersey City University where good in-state schools in NJ with good music education programs and good jazz programs.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
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jillian.hoffman@eagles.oc New Member
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UNT school of music is a 10/10 and affordable |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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There's also this popular place to train for a music career. Many have started here and learned much.
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trombino Veteran Member
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U of Illinois-Daval |
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tpter1 Heavyweight Member
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SUNY Potsdam Crane School of Music. _________________ -Glenn Roberts
"Character is the backbone of human culture, and music is the flowering of human character". -Confucious |
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sam.neufeld New Member
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You might consider University of Miami with Craig Morris! |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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I think someone else touched on this thought... Unless you've won a large scholarship to a top School/Conservatory, get your undergrad at a University that has a good Ed program and a reasonable music dept. While you're there study hard and make your connections for your Masters/Doctorate work. You can always study with more that one guy while you're an undergrad; find that stud nearby that you work with in the summer. I think this gives you a broader base to move forward on.
As a player, you will teach eventually. Either as you leave undergrad and find that school gig or as the principle player in the Phila Orch .. you WILL teach.
Save your undergrad money(s). Explore the schools near you - find the instructor and program that suits you. The good thing about smaller schools is that you'll have more chance to work with the Prof and play in the top groups.
good luck _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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Gartex1960 New Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:12 am Post subject: Where should I apply? |
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UNT and Kentucky as well as Oberlin _________________ Arthur D. Ferris
US Army (R) |
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