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Robert P
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 Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:31 pm Post subject: Darkest/mellowest flugel mp? |
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Currently have a Denis Wick 4FL which I regard as rendering a mellow sound but I'm curious what might be even moreso.
If your sole criteria was the darkest, mellowest flugel sound possible, what mp would you use?
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Used to play a Wick 3 FL but really did not like the rim plus I found the sound too fluffy and somewhat dull. It IS really dark, though.
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| Yamaha Bobby Shew flugelhorn mouthpiece - this is fluffy! In comparison, Wick 2FL, 3FL, 4FL sound deeper and tubbier. |
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Flip Oakes Wild Thing Extreme:
https://flipoakes.com/accessories/mouthpieces/
Scroll down to flugelhorn mouthpieces and click on the "Flip Oakes Wild Thing Extreme Flugelhorn Mouthpieces" tab.
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Sound samples please? |
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+1
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Which of the eight WT Extreme models do you recommend, though?
The website lists:
#FO, #1, #1.25, #1.5, #3, #5, #7, #10.5 |
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Reeves HF extremely dark and fluffy mpc with #20 bore for support the huge cup.
Love to play it in recording sessions , always the producer gives me compiments for my sound.
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| etc-etc wrote: | Which of the eight WT Extreme models do you recommend, though?
The website lists:
#FO, #1, #1.25, #1.5, #3, #5, #7, #10.5 |
These are the rim sizes available. Marc Curry produces all of Flip Oakes' mouthpieces and uses digital scans of his collection of Mt. Vernon Bach rims for the entire range. This means that the number sizes are a few thousandths larger than current Bach rims and the rim contour is likely to be softer, as well. I use the #5 rim, which is very much like Kanstul's B3D rim in shape and size. The #FO size is the largest.
It also means that each these rims are consistent and virtually identical across the full range of models. So, whether you buy a flugelhorn, cornet or trumpet mouthpiece, the rim is the same. It makes it so easy to go from one instrument to the next in a practice session, rehearsal or gig.
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| giakara wrote: | Reeves HF extremely dark and fluffy mpc with #20 bore for support the huge cup.
Love to play it in recording sessions , always the producer gives me compiments for my sound.
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+1 The Reeves HF (Huge Flugel)! I got this for a specfic application and ended up using it more often than not. I use a Reeves C2J on my trumpets often and the HF in my Flugel has a very similar feel and blow making transitions seamless.
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| shofarguy wrote: | | etc-etc wrote: | Which of the eight WT Extreme models do you recommend, though?
The website lists:
#FO, #1, #1.25, #1.5, #3, #5, #7, #10.5 |
These are the rim sizes available. Marc Curry produces all of Flip Oakes' mouthpieces and uses digital scans of his collection of Mt. Vernon Bach rims for the entire range. This means that the number sizes are a few thousandths larger than current Bach rims and the rim contour is likely to be softer, as well. I use the #5 rim, which is very much like Kanstul's B3D rim in shape and size. The #FO size is the largest.
It also means that each these rims are consistent and virtually identical across the full range of models. So, whether you buy a flugelhorn, cornet or trumpet mouthpiece, the rim is the same. It makes it so easy to go from one instrument to the next in a practice session, rehearsal or gig. |
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Thank you - very good info! |
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As a follow-up so far I've gotten both the Bobby Shew and Reeves HF, both good mouthpieces but neither as dark/mellow as the Denis Wick 4FL. Whoever designed the Wick mp's really found the magic formula.
Btw, I wrote to the Wick company to see if they had anything even mellower, turns out Denis Wick himself is who answers the emails. He's still going strong at 87!
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A good and useful mpc is a combination of many different things not only the sound , are you sure that the Wick is totally functional for you and your horn ? If yes then is the mpc for you , for example for me the huge bore and the some kind of sharp rim of the Wick make it for me useless , my advise is don't let the lush sound fool you and sacrifice the playability becose the moment of judgment you will be very disappointed.
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I use a Curry 1.5 FLD on my Adams F5, and it provides a dark sound with very good intonation. I decided to take it one step further. I spoke with Flip Oakes today and ordered a 1.5 Wild Thing Extreme flugelhorn mouthpiece in a large morse taper. I have one of flip's extreme mouthpieces in a small morse taper, and all I can say is they are a game changer. Big, deep, and dark. Check them out!
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| giakara wrote: | | for me the huge bore and the some kind of sharp rim of the Wick make it for me useless , my advise is don't let the lush sound fool you |
My main issue with the Wick isn't that the rim is too sharp but that the rim feels a bit wide - as in the rim shape not diameter. At some point I might see about having the rim narrowed a tad but I can live with it like it is.
Of course because it's so cavernous (it's much bigger than the Reeves "Huge Flugel" piece) it's not as easy as some to get higher notes, let's say over G or A over the staff but not a big issue on flugel for what I want to do with it anyway.
It isn't a matter of being "fooled" by the lush sound, it's the focus of what I'm looking for! 
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Is there a reason you are avoiding the Flip Oakes Extreme? It really is the deepest, darkest sound you will ever get.
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| Richard III wrote: | | Is there a reason you are avoiding the Flip Oakes Extreme? It really is the deepest, darkest sound you will ever get. |
Not avoiding it per se but I see there are a number of variants and I've already poured money into mp's that are claimed to be "the mellowest/darkest". I'd have to contact them and see which taper is most likely to fit my flugel and see how the rim sizes compare to what I have.
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The Warburton 5FLD might be what you are looking for. The 5 rim corresponds with your Wick 4 rim.
From the Warburton website:
Warburton offers Three Standard Models:
•FLM - Medium funnel shape with a #20 bore size. This model has a lighter sound and is preferred by players who need to play in the upper register.
•FL - Standard deep funnel shape with #16 bore size. This has been by far our most popular model over the years.
•FLX - Extra deep funnel shape with a #14 bore size. This model is capable of producing a most beautiful classic Flugelhorn sound for orchestral and other large ensemble work.
•Plus our Wide Rim Option (W) - Any of the Trumpet, Cornet, or Flugelhorn tops can be ordered with the W rim option which provides an additional 0.020 inch (twenty-thousandths of an inch) of outside diameter for players accustomed to slightly wider/fatter rims. Note that the W option is not available with the Signature models. |
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I played a Wick 4FL on a rather bright flugelhorn for years. The combo worked well. Then I got a different flugelhorn that is fundamentally very, very dark. The combination of the Wick 4FL and a Calicchio Copper flugel was surprisingly unsatisfactory. The sound was extremely dark, and focused, and... sterile. It was like a pure sine wave generator.
Physically, the Flip Oakes WT Extreme flugel mouthpiece is *much* deeper than the Wick no-letter cup, and the throat is almost comically large. Basically, the throat is literally the size of a trombone-mouthpiece throat, and the cup and backbore intersect at that monstrous throat with no cylindrical section. So much material has been removed from the inside of what looks like a "megatone-ish" blank that the mouthpiece is shockingly light.
All that said, the FOWTE flugel piece isn't that much "darker" than the Wick no-letter, but I will say that the character of the sound is fundamentally different. The Wick cornet and flugel mouthpieces were designed with brass bands in mind and emphasize focus and projection. The FOWTE flugel pieces aren't as dark as their extreme dimensions would indicate, but the sound is less focused and has more "character." (IMHO)
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As a follow-up, I got a Wild Thing Extreme and have been fooling with it. Yup, it's huge. It's a good mp. However there's a subdued, velvety mellowness the Denis Wick has that none of these others I've tried has.
Whoever designed that Denis Wick really found the magic sweet spot of dimensions. The Wick cup is deeper than the Shew and Reeves, not as deep as the Wild Thing.
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