Looks like there is no new brace on the main tuning slide after all.
ICK! Those valve buttons look so Bach-y!
FWIW, I switched solely to a Z as well, because I just wanted to really get to know one, well playing trumpet. When I owned a Strad, I was always looking around at the more flavourful trumpets. Once I found this one, my safari was over. Sounds like a good marriage... _________________ Yamaha Xeno 8335G Cornet
Yamaha 8310Z
Noblet Flugelhorn
If you don't mind me asking one more question, how do you personally feel that the new Z compares to Yamaha's other commercial offerings, such as the new commercial model (6335RC), the 8335LA and the 8340EM.
Thanks very much.
Best wishes
Lou[/b]
Lou,
I don't have an in depth answer but here is what I can tell you regarding my take on the models I have played:
6335RC- I have never even seen one of these! Sorry!
8335LA-A very nice horn but much too open for me. It feels like the resistance is quite a ways down the leadpipe and I prefer it a little closer to the mouthpiece. When I play one of these I feel like I am falling into it!
8340EM-Honestly the only Yamaha trumpet I have ever not liked at all! I played a very early model a number of years ago so it may have changed since then but I did not like the sound or feel of the one I played. I don't recall much about it except that it was extremely light. But again it is not a horn designed for the kind of playing I do. Believe me, I will never be confused with a commercial lead player! _________________ Scott Apelgren
Indialantic, FL
Joined: 10 Aug 2012 Posts: 5467 Location: Suffolk, England
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:54 am Post subject:
JVL wrote:
hello Lou,
Hi JVL
if you permit me, i can give you some personal feelings that may help you, i hope.
Your input is most welcome, thank you very much.
I've been playing the 6310Z for 18 years, and to get the right freeblow for me (without overblowing) my custom mpcs (except the lead ones) are made with symphonic bb, and #26 throat for classical Bach A depth cups, and #18 throat for cornet, because conventional 27 throats didn't suit.
Thanks very much. It is sounding more and more like it isn't worth trying the Z. I play custom James R New/Kanstul mouthpiece components. My top is a copy of my 2005 Bach 3C (27 throat). My backbore is a custom James R New backbore, which rather than his S backbore (which is a Bach 10 backbore, with if I remember correctly, the backbore reamer inserted further like on Arturo Sandoval's Mt. Vernon 3C), is Jim New's version of a standard Bach 10 backbore. I use this combination on my Xeno II Bb, Bach 37 and F Besson Classic C, with a James R New 6.5 sleeve on my Xeno II and C trumpet, and a James R New 6.25 sleeve on my Bach 37. I also use the same top on cornet, but with a standard Kanstul B10 cornet backbore. In a nutshell, I am using a James R New Bach 3C copy on all trumpets and cornet, and have dialled in my mouthpiece gap on all my trumpets. To be perfectly honest, other than possibly changing sleeve, I have no plans to change any other aspect of my mouthpieces, and definitely wouldn't want to move away from a 27 throat.
The horn had got old, and felt tighter, less accurate mostly in these last 12 months, to a point it became really problematic.
I'm really sorry to hear this.
Bobby tweaked it in november, and suddenly the sound got as large as with my old Bach strad 43/72* (but easier than with this Bach ; I'll add i'm a jazz & salsa lead).
I'm really pleased to hear this.
And i could feel too that for my deep mpcs, it was like if i played with a 1 step larger throat (let's say my 26 throat feels now like a 25 one).
So, Bobby's tweak can really modify the blow and playing of the horn.
And with the new 8310, things are way evident and better and easier.
All interesting, thanks very much.
I could try in the same time the Bergeron & Miyashiro models. They didn't match with me.
hope this will help
It does really help, thanks very much.
best
Best wishes
Lou
_________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs
Joined: 10 Aug 2012 Posts: 5467 Location: Suffolk, England
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:58 am Post subject:
ScottA wrote:
Louise Finch wrote:
ScottA wrote:
If you don't mind me asking one more question, how do you personally feel that the new Z compares to Yamaha's other commercial offerings, such as the new commercial model (6335RC), the 8335LA and the 8340EM.
Thanks very much.
Best wishes
Lou[/b]
Lou,
I don't have an in depth answer but here is what I can tell you regarding my take on the models I have played:
6335RC- I have never even seen one of these! Sorry!
8335LA-A very nice horn but much too open for me. It feels like the resistance is quite a ways down the leadpipe and I prefer it a little closer to the mouthpiece. When I play one of these I feel like I am falling into it!
8340EM-Honestly the only Yamaha trumpet I have ever not liked at all! I played a very early model a number of years ago so it may have changed since then but I did not like the sound or feel of the one I played. I don't recall much about it except that it was extremely light. But again it is not a horn designed for the kind of playing I do. Believe me, I will never be confused with a commercial lead player!
Hi ScottA
Thanks very much, this is really appreciated.
I'll reply tomorrow.
Best wishes
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs
Joined: 10 Aug 2012 Posts: 5467 Location: Suffolk, England
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:26 pm Post subject:
[quote="ScottA"]
Louise Finch wrote:
Lou,
I don't have an in depth answer but here is what I can tell you regarding my take on the models I have played:
Hi ScottA
Thanks very much, this is really appreciated.
6335RC- I have never even seen one of these! Sorry!
No worries, I've only seen it on websites.
8335LA-A very nice horn but much too open for me. It feels like the resistance is quite a ways down the leadpipe and I prefer it a little closer to the mouthpiece. When I play one of these I feel like I am falling into it!
Interesting, thanks. I feel that the resistance is further down the leadpipe on my Yamaha Xeno cornet. I have a feeling that this may partly be owing to this cornet, like a lot of short model cornets, having no actual mouthpiece gap. I really like my Xeno cornet, but whether I'd like this feel on a trumpet I don't know. I quite like the feel on open horns, but whether my endurance would hold up on one, I'm not sure. I have a feeling however that the LA may be more to my taste than the Z.
8340EM-Honestly the only Yamaha trumpet I have ever not liked at all! I played a very early model a number of years ago so it may have changed since then but I did not like the sound or feel of the one I played. I don't recall much about it except that it was extremely light. But again it is not a horn designed for the kind of playing I do. Believe me, I will never be confused with a commercial lead player!
No, me neither. My sound concept is pretty classical, hence why I successfully manage to play cornet in a British brass band and trumpet in a symphony orchestra, with a 3C top and standard Bach 10 backbore.
And irrespective of my sound concept, there is nothing about my approach or range lol, that would ever result in me being confused with a commerical lead player either.
The more I'm typing, the more I think that I should stick with my Xeno II.
Take care and thanks very much again.
Lou
_________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs
If you don't mind me asking one more question, how do you personally feel that the new Z compares to Yamaha's other commercial offerings, such as the new commercial model (6335RC), the 8335LA and the 8340EM.
Thanks very much.
Best wishes
Lou[/b]
Lou,
I don't have an in depth answer but here is what I can tell you regarding my take on the models I have played:
6335RC- I have never even seen one of these! Sorry!
8335LA-A very nice horn but much too open for me. It feels like the resistance is quite a ways down the leadpipe and I prefer it a little closer to the mouthpiece. When I play one of these I feel like I am falling into it!
8340EM-Honestly the only Yamaha trumpet I have ever not liked at all! I played a very early model a number of years ago so it may have changed since then but I did not like the sound or feel of the one I played. I don't recall much about it except that it was extremely light. But again it is not a horn designed for the kind of playing I do. Believe me, I will never be confused with a commercial lead player!
I’m interested by what you would think of my horn then. It’s an early Miyashiro prototype, before the 8340EM. It’s just the YTR-83. Closer to a 6310Z, slightly larger slides though. _________________ Yamaha YTR-83 (prototype 62/77)
Warburton 3M/5
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Shew
Brent wrote:
Did the previous 6310/8310z horn have a one or two piece valve casing?Seems like the two piece casing is catching on with horn makers. It certainly had positive feedback with the 190 Bach horns.
Looks like the new 'Z' horn has a tuning slide brace as well. Brent S
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2893 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:18 am Post subject:
I bought an 8310z a couple of months ago because they were being cleared out to make way for the new model. 25% off, so it was worth buying.
My son had a 6310z and I never got on with it. It was a bit more loose feeling to me than the ‘8310z. The 8310z is not as dense sounding as a Bach, but if you want to make it more Bach like just screw on a Denis Wick tone ring.
It’s a really versatile instrument. I wouldn’t want to play it in the big Germanic literature, but I use rotary for that anyway.
Maybe the new version will be even more cross over? _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 4313 Location: Ithaca NY
Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:46 am Post subject:
Wow, Trent!!! Nice demo! That horn is very pretty too. _________________ veery715
Hear me sing!: https://youtu.be/vtJ14MV64WY
Playing trumpet - the healthy way to blow your brains out.
My other Bb is a Yamaha N.Y. and it will certainly light up when pushed but it will not get as edgy, especially in the low register I find I can play loud and blend easier. I think the N.Y also still has more core to the sound but the difference is not as obvious with the new Z.
I had originally started playing the Z middle of last year and found myself using it more and more often. My quintet partner liked mine so much he bought one as well. As I get older the efficiency does not hurt a bit either.
I just picked up the new Z (in silver) today. I wasn't planning on it but the horn blew me away. I'm getting the most incredible overtones from it.
I work at Cadence Music in Fort Myers and we are a Yamaha Shokunin dealer. We got 3 of these horns in as soon as they were released. Dan Miller played through them and ended up taking one home with him. He did a quick write up on the horn that you might find interesting.
"I've been playing the new Bobby Shew Yamaha YTR-8310Zll all day and it's an absolutely beautiful horn. Dark and the overtones are buzzing...ballads all day long. History note: The horn on top is my 1989 6310B with the experimental bell Bob Malone put on the horn in 1991 in LA when he and Bobby Shew were developing the Z bell. They sent 12 experimental bells from Japan of various thicknesses and Bobby play-graded them from 1 to 12. I took number one most live and Roger Ingram took number 12 with the least amount of feedback behind the bell.
Thanks to Tom Kracmer and Todd Handley of Cadence Music (Yamaha Dealer Fort Myers, FL)"
We will have a few tables setup at the ITG conference in Miami this summer and should have these horns available for play test and purchase. Come by and say hi to us!
Joined: 07 Feb 2014 Posts: 94 Location: Goodyear, Arizona
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:17 am Post subject:
Regarding the posts from Louise. Thank you for asking so many good questions. I am sure that you have saved many people quite a bit of time by exploring the opinions of those who have played the various models.
It sounds to me like you are seriously considering pulling the trigger on the purchase of a new 8310Z II. I thought very seriously about getting a 8310Z for a couple of years and then finally made a fabulous deal on a brand new 8310Z about two years ago. Before that, I already had a Yamaha Xeno II RGS.
The Xeno II RGS is an incredible trumpet with the sweetest sound I have ever heard. It is super responsive, the slots are not too tight, it is super easy to play and there is some indescribable quality to the honey like sound that made me fall in love with it immediately.
The 8310 Z is even easier to play and so nimble up and down the scale and the high register is so easy. The sound can be dark or bright depending on your set up and how you want it to sound. It is a fabulous trumpet. So, I am sure that the new Z will be even better. Switching between the two will be a problem because you will have two favorite trumpets and you will feel guilty about slighting one of them in favor of the other.
If you make the purchase you will not regret it. _________________ agroovin48
Alan Cahill
1933 Conn Victor 80A Cornet
King Legend 2070
Adams A1V2
The trumpet in the top picture is the Yamaha RC! Oops! _________________ Adams A8 - Kanstul M-B5 P
A10 - Yamaha 5A4&7B4 Bach 8B
4-valve custom flugel - Bruno Tilz 4VZF
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Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 894 Location: Nissa, France
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:41 am Post subject:
MahlerIsTheMAN wrote:
I work at Cadence Music in Fort Myers and we are a Yamaha Shokunin dealer. We got 3 of these horns in as soon as they were released. Dan Miller played through them and ended up taking one home with him. He did a quick write up on the horn that you might find interesting.
"I've been playing the new Bobby Shew Yamaha YTR-8310Zll all day and it's an absolutely beautiful horn. Dark and the overtones are buzzing...ballads all day long. History note: The horn on top is my 1989 6310B with the experimental bell Bob Malone put on the horn in 1991 in LA when he and Bobby Shew were developing the Z bell. They sent 12 experimental bells from Japan of various thicknesses and Bobby play-graded them from 1 to 12. I took number one most live and Roger Ingram took number 12 with the least amount of feedback behind the bell.
Thanks to Tom Kracmer and Todd Handley of Cadence Music (Yamaha Dealer Fort Myers, FL)"
We will have a few tables setup at the ITG conference in Miami this summer and should have these horns available for play test and purchase. Come by and say hi to us!
Chris
Hello Chris,
Have you found consistency between the different exemplars of the Z II , or some little differences ? if so, which ones ?
Many thanks
Best
Hello Chris,
Have you found consistency between the different exemplars of the Z II , or some little differences ? if so, which ones ?
We received 3 of these horns in. Dan played through all of them for comparison. He ended up picking the one that responded the best in the upper register with the cup mute in. He noted that the horns were very consistent.
On a side note I brought one of these to show yesterday to try out. My colleague ended up on it for most of the show and he liked it so much he is going to purchase it. He said it was similar to his Schilke but it responded a little better and was more consistent from the low to higher registers.
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