Next Gen Shew Z Trumpet??

[JVL]

[quote="MahlerIsTheMAN"]Hello Chris,
Have you found consistency between the different exemplars of the Z II , or some little differences ? if so, which ones ?

We received 3 of these horns in. Dan played through all of them for comparison. He ended up picking the one that responded the best in the upper register with the cup mute in. He noted that the horns were very consistent.

On a side note I brought one of these to show yesterday to try out. My colleague ended up on it for most of the show and he liked it so much he is going to purchase it. He said it was similar to his Schilke but it responded a little better and was more consistent from the low to higher registers.

Hope this answers your question!

Chris
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Thanks Chris.
I asked you this because i should have gotten soon a Z selected and tweaked by Bobby, but it's not been possible, and my local shop will receive two Z for me to select and buy one. I tried the prototype in november, that was great even without Bobby's tweak, and better than my 6310.

Best

[MahlerIsTheMAN]

"Do you know which Schilke model he was comparing this Shew to?"

Hi Jerry, he plays on a B2.

Chris

[JVL]

Hello Chris
did Dan played the high register with a cup mute in for testing the horn resistance ?
thanks

[jrd19580]

[improver]

Great horns just to stuffy for me.

[JVL]

Hello,
less than 1 month ago, the local shop received 3 new 8310Z.
Unfortunately for me, it'd not been possible for Bobby, while in Europe, to select and tweak couple of horns to be sent to me.

Anyway, after warm up, i applied Bobby's recommendation for horn testing, adding before a personal preference for low register testing from low C to low F#, especially these 2 notes but more the F#.


All horns were consistent throu all registers, core in the sound, each note centered, low register open. I played with my lead mpc.


horn#1 : warm nice sound, but High C not easy (resistance)


#2 : brighter sound, all registers easy and open, very quick response


#3 : a mix of the previous ones, warm sound, but high C not centered, slipped often


I ended with the #2, then checked the high register : High G and Ab slotted differently than my 6310, and felt closed like before Bobby tweaked it.

After 3 days of smart practice on the new 8310Z, i found the slots and could control these, with 2-3 octavas glissandos, slow at first, pp-mp.
Huge sound til high Bb, high B is here too.

It's really a matter of finding the slots, even if less open and easy than with Bobby's tweak.

Conclusion, everything is improved with the new 8310Z, sound, core, accuracy, intervals. You just need maybe couples of days of smart patiernt practice to get all the new high quality of this model. A real delight !

best

[jazzr69]

[JVL]

hello,
here's it.
For Bobby, better to start on a G scale to 1st ledger A.

best

A VERY important aspect of testing horns is knowing HOW to
test. I have a simple suggestion and if it is too much for your
current chops, adjust it to fit your capabilities.
1. Get a simple and decent warm-up but don't overwork your
chops. Just get them somewhat working enough to do the test. Use
your current horn for this as well as the initial test on step 2.
2. Using only low C to high C, Arpeggiate the lower octave ( C-EG-C ) and then continue upward to high C using the basic C scale
(diatonic.) Hold the high C for a few seconds just to check for how
much stress your body is using to do this. Do it 2 more times
identically to ensure that you are aware of the body sensations.
3. Select a different trumpet and do the exact same process as in
step 2, 3 times, measuring your body sensations. It can really help
if you are able to do these tests with your eyes closed as it helps
internalize your awareness of the kinesthetic reactions.
4. If the process on step 3 gives you a sensation of greater ease, the
horn goes into the YES category. If the sensation is greater stress,
then it's a NO category. Keeping recorded notes on paper might be
a help so as to remember over a period of time. If you're not certain
of the differences, go back to your primary horn and alternate
again. It COULD be that they both might feel very similar. If so,
note that on paper.
5. Repeat the process with a different horn and make the
categorical decision. Don't rush the process and rest periodically so
you don't overtax your chops.
Assuming you have 4 or 5 horns to try, you might find that 2 feel
easier than your current one and the others feel harder to play.
Eliminate the ones that DON'T make playing easier. Write down
the names and models (maybe even serial numbers) of those in
each category for further reference. So, EASE OF PLAYING is the
primary objective but QUALITY OF SOUND is of equal
importance. It's possible to find a horn that seems a lot easier to
play high on but the sound might be extremely strident and
irritating to your ears. NO ONE should play an instrument that
doesn't please their ear! It's a matter of what type of music you will
be playing that will be a major determining factor in your ultimate
decision.