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BronsonP
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:55 pm    Post subject: Multiple tonguing Reply with quote

Any tips? I’ve been having a struggle on this for years.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grow multiple tongues?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Split the Tuh (or Duh) and Kuh (or Guh) up and practice them independently to get the attack you want.

2) Always spend some time working on multiple tonguing very slowly

3) Keep a constant and smooth airflow

4) Never try to rush. Speed will come with practice and evenness.

5) Listen to some examples of quality multiple tonguing so you can get a sound concept in your head and know what to aim for. Here are a few short videos of live playing, all with their own unique approach to double tonguing, to start you off:

Sergei Nakariakov, whom many people consider to be the greatest practitioner of multiple tonguing. https://youtu.be/_WUR_5eikd0

Maurice Andre, a sublime mix of technical perfection and musical sound to his multiple tonguing. https://youtu.be/jLLSfBOwMRM

Wynton Marsalis, in his younger days he was truly one of the greatest classical players of all time, now he holds that accolade for Jazz playing. https://youtu.be/0-jDld11jhw

And a couple of young players who I've seen in videos recently:

Ruben Simeo, a Spanish prodigy who studied with Maurice Andre. https://youtu.be/NHRQDsgUsS8

Selina Ott, an incredible young player who just won the ARD competition. This video is from a few years ago, but still provides a great example of double tonguing with clarity and direction. https://youtu.be/aS_uOqozxsk

Alex Brain, I confess I don't know anything about this guy, but I saw this video about a week ago (and I shared it on this site) and I think it is another good example of clear and controlled double tonguing, in the high register too. https://youtu.be/j94TaakHeVE

Hopefully that provides a useful starting point to help you develop both your physical tongue control and also develop your musical expectation regarding multiple tonguing.

All the best
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a good online written explanation of the physical tongue / throat / whatever movement that is supposed to be done for the Ka / Kuh . For me, it seems the amount of movement when I attempt it is extreme, and that amount of movement takes a long time to alternate between Ta & Ka.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: Multiple tonguing Reply with quote

BronsonP wrote:
Any tips? I’ve been having a struggle on this for years.


Private lessons. Seriously.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Multiple tonguing Reply with quote

BronsonP wrote:
Any tips? I’ve been having a struggle on this for years.


Based solely on my experience, my guess is that you play with an overbite, which is to say that when you play the horn, your bottom teeth and your upper teeth are not evenly aligned. If that is the case, you might be articulating the K sound farther back on the roof of your mouth, probably near its highest point (like saying KAR). The distance and height your tongue must travel when you try to double tongue makes it much harder, if not impossible, to articulate cleanly, rapidly, and repeatedly.

If you play with your upper and bottom teeth even, you can articulate the K syllable in a more forward area where the roof of your mouth is lower, resulting in less movement and a much shorter distance that your tongue must travel to articulate the T K syllables. With your teeth aligned properly, you might also need to drop your jaw a bit more to give your tongue more room to maneuver.

Of course, if you don't play with an overbite, you can ignore my thoughts.
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