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LowerSlower
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 Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:04 pm Post subject: Large bore or small bore? |
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Curious as to pluses & minuses of large bore vs. small bore horns.
I play a Schilke S32 with a Monette BL mouthpiece.
While that horn was in the shop recently, I played my old Selmer K Modified w/ the same mouthpiece.
The Selmer bore must be quite a bit larger, as the mouthpiece went in a lot farther.
I play mostly jazz, blues, salsa, swing & reggae. Had a couple classical church gigs, and backed up a chorus this year.
I always thought of the K Mod as more of a "classical" sounding horn. Both play great, just wondered about some personal preferences out there.
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Crazy Finn
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Large bore or small bore? |
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| LowerSlower wrote: | Curious as to pluses & minuses of large bore vs. small bore horns.
I play a Schilke S32 with a Monette BL mouthpiece.
While that horn was in the shop recently, I played my old Selmer K Modified w/ the same mouthpiece.
The Selmer bore must be quite a bit larger, as the mouthpiece went in a lot farther.
I play mostly jazz, blues, salsa, swing & reggae. Had a couple classical church gigs, and backed up a chorus this year.
I always thought of the K Mod as more of a "classical" sounding horn. Both play great, just wondered about some personal preferences out there. |
How far the mouthpiece fits in the receiver has nothing to do with the size of the bore. All that means is the receiver is larger on the Selmer (Selmers do have larger receivers, maybe Courtois as well?).
The receiver essentially connects the mouthpiece to the leadpipe (or mouthpipe according to some). What makes an instrument a larger or small bore is the rest of the tubing in the horn, not the receiver.
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Brad361
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Large bore or small bore? |
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | | LowerSlower wrote: | Curious as to pluses & minuses of large bore vs. small bore horns.
I play a Schilke S32 with a Monette BL mouthpiece.
While that horn was in the shop recently, I played my old Selmer K Modified w/ the same mouthpiece.
The Selmer bore must be quite a bit larger, as the mouthpiece went in a lot farther.
I play mostly jazz, blues, salsa, swing & reggae. Had a couple classical church gigs, and backed up a chorus this year.
I always thought of the K Mod as more of a "classical" sounding horn. Both play great, just wondered about some personal preferences out there. |
How far the mouthpiece fits in the receiver has nothing to do with the size of the bore. All that means is the receiver is larger on the Selmer (Selmers do have larger receivers, maybe Courtois as well?).
The receiver essentially connects the mouthpiece to the leadpipe (or mouthpipe according to some). What makes an instrument a larger or small bore is the rest of the tubing in the horn, not the receiver. |
And I think this is correct, bore size is measured at the second valve slide. As C.F. said, it has nothing to do with the mouthpiece receiver, which may in fact be worn and stretched on your Selmer.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Large bore or small bore? |
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| Brad361 wrote: | | Crazy Finn wrote: | | LowerSlower wrote: | Curious as to pluses & minuses of large bore vs. small bore horns.
I play a Schilke S32 with a Monette BL mouthpiece.
While that horn was in the shop recently, I played my old Selmer K Modified w/ the same mouthpiece.
The Selmer bore must be quite a bit larger, as the mouthpiece went in a lot farther.
I play mostly jazz, blues, salsa, swing & reggae. Had a couple classical church gigs, and backed up a chorus this year.
I always thought of the K Mod as more of a "classical" sounding horn. Both play great, just wondered about some personal preferences out there. |
How far the mouthpiece fits in the receiver has nothing to do with the size of the bore. All that means is the receiver is larger on the Selmer (Selmers do have larger receivers, maybe Courtois as well?).
The receiver essentially connects the mouthpiece to the leadpipe (or mouthpipe according to some). What makes an instrument a larger or small bore is the rest of the tubing in the horn, not the receiver. |
And I think this is correct, bore size is measured at the second valve slide. As C.F. said, it has nothing to do with the mouthpiece receiver, which may in fact be worn and stretched on your Selmer.
Brad |
Or someone could have used a reamer on the receiver to allow their mouthpiece to seat further and reduce gap -> more likely than wear and "stretching".
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Others have commented on bore, some mentioned gap. Perhaps the different feeling you perceive is due to gap. There are pages and threads dedicated to gap. Look there for lots of info. Meanwhile, try some thin tape (plumber's tape or scotch) on your mouthpiece and see if that brings your experience closer to expectations.
Keep a notebook of how YOU experience changes. Be prepared to give up assumptions. Enjoy the ride.
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| Or the Selmer may simply have a longer receiver, and the gap may be completely unaffected. The mouthpiece may not insert any farther, the receiver may just go further up the mouthpiece shank. Any differences in the trumpets will be due to a combination of factors, not just bore or gap. |
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| Rompson wrote: | | Or the Selmer may simply have a longer receiver, and the gap may be completely unaffected. The mouthpiece may not insert any farther, the receiver may just go further up the mouthpiece shank. Any differences in the trumpets will be due to a combination of factors, not just bore or gap. |
THIS. I own a large bore Bel Canto (.464) and two medium large bore (.459 and .460) horns. There's little basis for comparison because there are so many other factors at play. They were all made by the same guy and they're all perfect for what I use them for (expressing and projecting an idea). Everything else is something else. I don't consider its bore while I'm playing it.
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| oliver king wrote: | | Rompson wrote: | | Or the Selmer may simply have a longer receiver, and the gap may be completely unaffected. The mouthpiece may not insert any farther, the receiver may just go further up the mouthpiece shank. Any differences in the trumpets will be due to a combination of factors, not just bore or gap. |
THIS. I own a large bore Bel Canto (.464) and two medium large bore (.459 and .460) horns. There's little basis for comparison because there are so many other factors at play. They were all made by the same guy and they're all perfect for what I use them for (expressing and projecting an idea). Everything else is something else. I don't consider its bore while I'm playing it. |
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| dershem wrote: | | oliver king wrote: | | Rompson wrote: | | Or the Selmer may simply have a longer receiver, and the gap may be completely unaffected. The mouthpiece may not insert any farther, the receiver may just go further up the mouthpiece shank. Any differences in the trumpets will be due to a combination of factors, not just bore or gap. |
THIS. I own a large bore Bel Canto (.464) and two medium large bore (.459 and .460) horns. There's little basis for comparison because there are so many other factors at play. They were all made by the same guy and they're all perfect for what I use them for (expressing and projecting an idea). Everything else is something else. I don't consider its bore while I'm playing it. |
You have three of Dick's horns? You're a lucky man! |
Yeah I think about that while I'm playing. He's the coolest AND he makes a great horn. Bryan Morgan at Dick's shop is the guy to see.
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LowerSlower
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:33 am Post subject: A & G Music Oakland CA |
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I agrees. Dick's shop was recommended to me when I moved to the Bay Area 12 years ago.
They just repaired & overhauled my Schilke S32, and it looks like a brand new. THE BEST shop for brass repair / overhaul shop, for sure.
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