Kanstul trumpets

[Bryceh1217]

So, from my understanding, Kanstul produces Benge and Besson remakes along with their version of Bach's and other trumpets. My question is, which version of the kanstul trumpets translates to what Benge? What Kanstul trumpet translates to their version of a Besson? I am just curios as to what trumpet in Kanstul's inventory translates to what trumpet it is modeled after. I am considering Kanstul for my next trumpet because I hear they are made all in the US and that they have some of the highest quality out there. I am just unsure where to start. Is the Chicago 1070 trumpet a CG Benge? What is the Chicago 1001 and 1000 modeled after?
Thanks in advance!
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[RussellDDixon]

http://www.kanstul.com/instruments/trumpets/1600-bb-trumpet/

A cursory reading explains each model for instance the Chicago 1000 states "This is the American rendition of the classic French Besson trumpets."

Model Chicago 1001 is their version of the MLP Benge Trumpet and so on.

I can recommend the Model 1600 which was the Wayne Bergeron Signature Model before Yamaha signed Wayne away. This trumpet is beautiful and plays open; slots great and can sizzle or puuurrr.
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[Ed Kennedy]

[Harry Hilgers]

[cgaiii]

I will second the thought of calling or e-mailing Charles Hargett at Kanstul. He will tell you what you want to know. Very good to work with. I do not own a Kanstul Bb, but if the 1510 C Trumpet (which I recently purchased directly from them) and the Picc I have are any indication of the Bb quality, they are very nice horns. But of course, playing is always the best way to decide.
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Flugel: Taylor Standard
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Natural Tr: Custom Haas replica by Nikolai Mänttäri Morales

[TrumpetMD]

An old post by shofarguy, that addresses the OP's question.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1133765#1133765

Mike
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Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns.

[shofarguy]

Kanstul has their own brand and sells models under their own name. They also build instruments for other horn companies, such as Buffet-Crampon in the 1980s-90s. The Kanstul-made Bessons came out of this arrangement and the current 1070 is essentially the Besson Meha under the Kanstul brand

One of the lines Kanstul has made since before it sold its own is the Burbank Trumpet line. This was originally sold by Donald Benge before he and Zig had a falling out. Then, Zig turned over the marketing of Burbank Trumpets to Michael Thomas of Roché-Thomas fame. Michael still holds the rights to that Brand and sells the Burbank Trumpet line directly to each customer and through a select few dealers. These are as close to the Burbank era of Benge trumpets as you will find, but are not exactly the same. The closest, IMO, is the 6X-CG, which I think is a terrific trumpet.

The 3X & 3x+ compare to the Kanstul 1000 and 1001 with small differences like bottom valve caps, water key mounts, etc. The Kanstul's are a tiny bit heavier, overall.

The Kanstul 1537P is a very good rendition of the Bach 37, but with Kanstul intonation. It's been awhile since I've played one (10 years, come to think of it), but I remember that it had a wonderfully refined feel to it, very much like the great Bachs of the Mt. Vernon or early Elkhart eras.

The 1603 is Kanstul's version of the Martin Committee, while the 1603+ is how Wallace Roney specified his own personal trumpet, when he and Kanstul worked out this new model. Wallace doesn't consider the 1603 a copy, but an actual Martin Committee made by Kanstul. High praise indeed from someone who has played the Martin since Miles Davis gave him one of his personal horns as a gift.

The 990 & 991 are patterned after two Conn models. They are quite different from each other. The 990 looks and plays more like a typical trumpet, whereas the 991 is more like the wide-wrap nickel Constellations.

Two former Kanstul development players have specified their own designs, too. The 1601 was designed and developed by Tim Wendt and is a terrific ML Bb trumpet for all music genre.

Flip Oakes also developed and sells his own line of instruments known as Wild Thing trumpets, flugelhorn and cornets. Kanstul builds these to his exacting standards and Flip "blueprints" each horn with his Total Enhancement process.

There are (and have been) numerous other manufacturers that utilize Kanstul's capabilities to make parts or complete instruments for their own brands.
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Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper


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[Harry Hilgers]

[qcm]

[Harry Hilgers]

[Dayton]

Jack Kanstul walked me through the Kanstul Bb lineup at ITG a few years back. They make some fine horns, many of which are popular because they play like an ideal version of someone else's horn: Calicchio 1S2, Benge 3X MLP, Martin Committee, Bach Strad 37, Conn Connstelation, etc. Talk to Charles, as suggested, and he'll steer you to the right model.

Having said that, I think it is too bad that so much attention focuses on those "copy" Kanstul models, as good as they are. It seems to me that the gems in the Kanstul lineup are the 1500 and the 1601 (a variation of the 1500), which are uniquely Kanstul. Those horns really impressed me.

[qcm]

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[Harry Hilgers]

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[howardjb98]

Thank you all for the replies! It really seems that people love kanstul trumpets. It looks like I'm gonna have to go test drive a few of these. Again, thanks to everyone for all the responses.

[Jon_Manness]

I have a Kanstul 1600 "Wayne Bergeron" trumpet for sale if you're interested in a Kanstul!

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1936893259939449

-Jon
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