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jcoffey
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:00 am    Post subject: Bach Teases New C Trumpet!! Reply with quote

Haven't told us what it's called, what makes it different, or anything... They just posted this video with Mike Sachs saying a sentence about the horn. Either way, all aboard the hype train! *choo chooo*
https://www.facebook.com/bachbrass/videos/2071894322892048/
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure looks like it will be the 190/50th anniversary version with the 2 piece valve casing and a little retro influence
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've played the 190 37 and 190 43's. IMHO, they are consistently great horns. Remind me of really good Mt. Vernons or early Elkharts. Ease of play and the sound!

If the new C's are as good as the 190 Bbs, Bach is entering a new golden age vintage.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the chance to play a few of these horns in Mesa, AZ on Saturday. They are GREAT! If you are going to the NAMM show, make sure you swing by the Bach booth and try them out. Fantastic horns.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess: a 190 version of the CL 229/25H. The whole 190 series is outstanding. I would love a 19043 Bb and Artisan C. Though it would be really cool if they made a 190 CL 239/25A.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

O00Joe wrote:
My guess: a 190 version of the CL 229/25H. The whole 190 series is outstanding. I would love a 19043 Bb and Artisan C. Though it would be really cool if they made a 190 CL 239/25A.


It has a 229 bell and a 25M leadpipe.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a 190 series! 25M pipe and 229 bell is correct.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jcoffey wrote:
It is a 190 series! 25M pipe and 229 bell is correct.


What's a 25M pipe? A Google search gave me no usable results.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess: 25M, M stands for Michael Sachs since they have 25S leadpipe already.

Is the 25M going to be an upgraded version of 25H with better intonation and control?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Official info here: https://www.bachbrass.com/instruments/trumpets/professional/c190sl229?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=&utm_content=product&utm_campaign=organic
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody tried yet? looks very promising.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks to be a good horn, but I'm curious how this statement can be made:

"The Bach C190 series trumpets have truly defined the sound of symphonic brass in symphony orchestras throughout the world."

How is this possible when almost nobody has one?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tpt_Guy wrote:
Looks to be a good horn, but I'm curious how this statement can be made:

"The Bach C190 series trumpets have truly defined the sound of symphonic brass in symphony orchestras throughout the world."

How is this possible when almost nobody has one?


lol while most of orchestras play Yamaha now
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:27 am    Post subject: Specs on the new Bach 190 C Trumpet Reply with quote

We will have several of these at Thompson Music in the next few days.

• Newly designed #25 M leadpipe provides stability of intonation and slotting of notes
• The regular weight #229 yellow brass bell with enhanced engraving has focused projection with the ability to color the sound
• The two-piece valve casing offers better feedback to the player and more overtones in the sound
• Vincent Bach “Symphonic Series” 1 ½ C mouthpiece, S6511HC4, (24 throat and 24 backbore)
• Throwback shop warranty card included as a tribute to how Vincent Bach documented his Mt. Vernon horns
• .462” large bore tubing
• 3rd slide pin stop
• Sculpted wide footed bracing
• Monel pistons
• Deluxe woodshell case, classic bach case design

*Available as the C190SL229 - Silver-plated or C190L229 - Lacquer
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a chance to play it a little bit yesterday at NAMM. It was later in the day and my chops were pretty tired by then but my impression was that I found the Chicago model more responsive.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm mostly interested in how this new 25M leadpipe is different.

Eager to hear some impressions!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yctrumpet wrote:
My guess: 25M, M stands for Michael Sachs since they have 25S leadpipe already.

Is the 25M going to be an upgraded version of 25H with better intonation and control?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played one today. Liked everything about it.

Want.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soooo, if this is such a great horn, why are there all the other special models and the bog standard horns?

Surely if you make improvements to your line via a new (revamped) model, the rest get the same upgrades and you have a better horn and soon enough, more market share?

And how does 'enhanced engraving' focus projection and the ability to colour the sound?

Just like another thread, I am rather sick of blatantly untrue / pointless advertising copy.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy Del wrote:
Soooo, if this is such a great horn, why are there all the other special models and the bog standard horns?



cheers

Andy


For the same reason you have lightweight Schilkes and brass boat anchors (brand names will be deleted to protect the innocent). Have you played the new Bach C? Because if you have, then feel free to critique it from a position of experience. The fact is, I have, and although I don't play a Bach C and haven't for almost 40 years, I thought the new Bach C played exceedingly well. But the fact that my experience was positive, doesn't mean everyone else's will be. That's why serious players play Bachs, Yamahas, Shires,et al., including those previously unnamed boat anchors.
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