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BraeGrimes
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject: I'm over it... Reply with quote

Hey THers,

I'm going to go on a mild rant here, because it's becoming a bit of an issue in trumpet mouthpiece marketing.

I've just checked out three new trumpet mouthpieces that are attached to artists with endorsements that these mouthpieces play "in-tune". Two quotes I found that I really despise are:

"The [redacted] is extremely predictable, in tune, and easy to play."
"Truly Equal-Tempered Octaves, for people who want the most effortless playing experience possible"

Ironically enough, in two of these cases the words "ALL SALES ARE FINAL" are emblazoned somewhere in the fine print.

I guarantee if you put these mouthpieces in an out-of-tune instrument, it won't fix the instrument's intonation. I also believe, that if you haven't worked on your intonation, these mouthpieces WILL NOT FIX IT! The idea that any instrument, mouthpiece, etc. is perfectly in tune is bogus.

A mouthpiece can improve your intonation or match the intonation of your instrument better, but it is simply not a one-size-fits-all thing. The inconsistencies in the gap between two mouthpieces and two horns should be enough to prove that (even if it's 0.001" of an inch difference, that's 1/3 of the difference between a ML and L bore trumpet!).

Please, please, please... use your better judgement before throwing away your hard-earned on empty promises. Try before you buy and know what you're looking for.
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breden
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree - and think it's very good advice. Just coming off of a very expensive safari with three horns from a custom trumpet builder. Wish I heeded the advice I was given before parting with the funds. Did recoup some but was a nice lesson for me to learn going forward.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fairly sure the second quote is straight out of the LOTUS mouthpiece marketing campaign....

Agree entirely with all your points.

All the best
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lotus-Bloatus-take-your-money-and-GLOATUS!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Oh! My turn to rant!

But mine is about music shops and the lies and garbage they say to make a sale. Some driven by volume discounts and sales targets from manufacturers.

I have NOT posted a detailed and possibly damning account of one of my local music stores. Suffice to say, it will be a cold day in hades when I darken their door again.

the lies in marketing, PLUS sales is unconscionable.

Rant over!

cheers

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The search for a quick fix/short cut is so ingrained in us trumpet players that we fuel the marketing. Some of the blame needs to rest on us.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For $$$$ I can add octaves to your range. Seriously.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just like the Monette ad that you have to do some weird stuff to play in tune on a Bach mouthpiece. I do not tilt my horn in all weird ways, play in tune, and do not play a monette...

not trashing the product itself, just pointing out the marketing point
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Betelgeuse215 wrote:
It's just like the Monette ad that you have to do some weird stuff to play in tune on a Bach mouthpiece. I do not tilt my horn in all weird ways, play in tune, and do not play a monette...

not trashing the product itself, just pointing out the marketing point
However, you most certainly need to hold your face right.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a real nice Chinese instrument to sell you - guaranteed to look good and play perfectly in tune bugle calls.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many years ago there was a series of booklets authored by the fictitious "Professor Willem von Schmutzig" which were parodies on musical instruments. Some of these may still be available (see link blow).

The Professor's crowning achievement was the invention of the "perfect" instrument, which he named the "Schmutzolet" which looked like a vacuum cleaner with clarinets and oboes attached. It was electric and advertised to produce no wrong notes whatsoever and to always play perfectly in tune.

Fast forward to today and apparently lots of gadgets surpass even the Schmutzolet. At least that's what the marketing programs claim.

This kind of thing used to be a joke. In fact, the motto of the publication was "Soakum der Publicum." Today some people (actually a lot of people) take these kinds of claims seriously.

Here it is:

https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/incomplete-method-fur-die-holzblasinstrumente-sheet-music/18113072
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The very best gadget I've seen is the breathing device which makes you suck hard to develop your breathing.

Ah - reverse pulmonary oedema, anyone?

I took one suck and told the store owner (the same one who insists on selling crap to my students) that if I ever saw one in the hands of my students I would report him for child abuse and produce medical evidence too back me up. Haven't seen it since...

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