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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: My Reports on Kurt Thompson's 16 Wk Range & Endurance Co Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not watched the video. I hope you found success with his program.

I would usually never speak up but Kurt's shameful, petty, childish attitude makes it so that regardless of the effectiveness of his program (and I doubt it's particularly useful) I would still recommend that everyone steer clear of him. He has a history of making enemies with some of the nicest, most wonderful players around. It has been discussed here and elsewhere before so I will link that below. Kurt is completely delusional regarding his playing ability and more importantly, he's an a-hole. There are plenty of great teachers out there who can help a player so there's no need to take from a real jerk.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=142548&sid=ac39221a30c2f29fa345abd774d02461

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124030&sid=cfacb69f6f5ec452b325e87dfdcbdaa2

http://www.trumpetmaster.com/threads/kurt-thompson.83163/
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing the video, really interesting to hear your descriptions of your progress plus the sound clips. Nice sound by the way, and you already have a good enough range to play warm cornet solos, in fact sounds like you have as much range as the average player - a dependable high C?

I was interested to hear your account of some techniques such as the loud double pedals beating up your chops, the roll-in high notes etc. not helping. There is no question in my mind that some of these specialised techniques can hurt rather than harm. A heck of a lot of progress can be made by sticking to the middle road - Clarke, Colin's, Mitchell. Long tones, slurs, articulation, and playing steadily higher to increase range. Pops has a great method for increasing range which just incrementally increases the amount of notes you play in the higher register.

Looking forward to hearing your range after the 16 weeks on Kurt's method.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brassmusician wrote:
Thanks for sharing the video, really interesting to hear your descriptions of your progress plus the sound clips. Nice sound by the way, and you already have a good enough range to play warm cornet solos, in fact sounds like you have as much range as the average player - a dependable high C?


Hi,

With the greatest respect; that is nowhere near a 'dependable high C'. I would say that the G on top of the staff was barely dependable. Let alone asking for that note to be played quietly, articulated or with any kind of style.

All the best
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brassmusician wrote:
Thanks for sharing the video, really interesting to hear your descriptions of your progress plus the sound clips. Nice sound by the way, and you already have a good enough range to play warm cornet solos, in fact sounds like you have as much range as the average player - a dependable high C?

I was interested to hear your account of some techniques such as the loud double pedals beating up your chops, the roll-in high notes etc. not helping. There is no question in my mind that some of these specialised techniques can hurt rather than harm. A heck of a lot of progress can be made by sticking to the middle road - Clarke, Colin's, Mitchell. Long tones, slurs, articulation, and playing steadily higher to increase range. Pops has a great method for increasing range which just incrementally increases the amount of notes you play in the higher register.

Looking forward to hearing your range after the 16 weeks on Kurt's method.


Thanks for listening. I tend to agree with you and concentrating on limited techniques has been trouble, that's why I think there is some promise on this sort of shotgun approach using a lot of various exercises metered out in moderation.
I'm afraid that listening to my one burst of tones up high can be deceiving and LSOfanboy has pretty much got me pegged. That is why I included that articulation stuff.
I'll have to review my Pops stuff. It could be I was still overdoing high notes on the Goldman exercises.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Separate from all the baggage about the author of this method - I'm happy to say that I've now viewed the entirety of your original video, and I share with some of our colleagues here an eager anticipation of how the next several weeks of dedicated work treat you.

One very quick observation - as you ascend from the G atop the staff, notice how far your head gets in front of your throat/spine, and as you make the trek from B to high C, then beyond, you elevate your chin noticeably. These compensating mechanisms reflect what we all know - that this is hard, physical work - but they also prevent you from harnessing your air, and high notes live on air.

I don't meant to interfere in any way with where you're going and how you're trying to get there...although I'll show my cards as firmly in the camp that the trumpet is a wind instrument, thus requiring air (and I think Maynard, and his acolytes, such Lynn Nicholson, certainly put the focus on harnessing your air)...but, as a teacher and player, it is clear to me from the video that you'd have an easier time with some of the notes that are already more notes than squeaks, if you could focus on removing some of the neck/throat tension, allowing for a relaxed breath and powerful air stream.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Danbassin wrote:
...One very quick observation - as you ascend from the G atop the staff, notice how far your head gets in front of your throat/spine, and as you make the trek from B to high C, then beyond, you elevate your chin noticeably. These compensating mechanisms reflect what we all know - that this is hard, physical work - but they also prevent you from harnessing your air, and high notes live on air....

...I'll show my cards as firmly in the camp that the trumpet is a wind instrument, thus requiring air...but, as a teacher and player, it is clear to me from the video that you'd have an easier time with some of the notes that are already more notes than squeaks, if you could focus on removing some of the neck/throat tension, allowing for a relaxed breath and powerful air stream.

All the best!
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Fantastic stuff. THIS (above in quoted area) is why I like TrumpetHerald. Many of us can appreciate and apply these thoughts.

lambchop - thanks for beginning this thread; it takes guts to post a video of ones self.

Dan - Thanks for good anyalysis and sharing some great points.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Dan and Johnathan!

I'll work on that. I have caught myself before sort of humming or grunting a note while straining and had to work on it, since I know it is important to have the open throat.
In the air support vs lip strength camp, I never believed much of the air stuff and figured I probably had plenty of air pressure. I was just reading the guild journal article about air pressure. It takes about 1 psi to start a high C and a good player can/needs to produce 1.5 to 2 psi of pressure to get good high notes at a loud level. I was going to follow up on the thought in subsequent videos, but why not just measure a student's pressure? Then one would know how much to concentrate on it vs lip exercises. Maybe I'll make an app for that .
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my week 1 report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjhfeTK4egA
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wohlrab wrote:
........I would still recommend that everyone steer clear of him. He has a history of making enemies with some of the nicest, most wonderful players around. It has been discussed here and elsewhere before so I will link that below. Kurt is completely delusional regarding his playing ability and more importantly, he's an a-hole. There are plenty of great teachers out there who can help a player so there's no need to take from a real jerk.
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After all, for many (as it is for me) one purpose in life is to leave a good legacy.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I play the Devil's advocate for a moment? I think Kurt's a jerk. But a truth stands by itself regardless of it's source. If this works, why not use it? I think the only issue here is, unless one is getting scammed, is if it works or doesn't.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
Can I play the Devil's advocate for a moment? I think Kurt's a jerk. But a truth stands by itself regardless of it's source. If this works, why not use it? I think the only issue here is, unless one is getting scammed, is if it works or doesn't.


I agree. And regarding Kurt's personality, people can change. Maybe he has. Hopefully we all improve ourselves in time, both in terms of playing ability and personal development.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kurt has moved to my neck of the woods (Houston). I was thinking about contacting him just to see how he comes across in person...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the week 2 report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q0WxSrG8cI
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A picture is worth a thousand words.

I'm seeing 10 minutes of talking and no notes played... speaks volumes.

I'd suggest give up on the weekly updates. It's going to take 2 years - and that's if it works. Believe me.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1

I'm very interested to hear the results after 16 weeks, but it's also important to hear a weekly playing update.

There is no right or wrong each week, you may get better or worse as you progress. Understanding the entire journey is what I'm interested in.
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