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Ed Kennedy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:45 am    Post subject: SO? Reply with quote

SO, why do so many posters start their message with "So?" It would never fly in my college expository writing class. Would you start a sentence in a resume with "so?" To me it says: "I'm a kid and I don't really know how to write concisely. Don't take me seriously." Pet peeve? You bet! Just Sayin'
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't sweat the 'petty things',
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Don't pet the 'sweaty things'!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, if this is the sort of thing that bothers you, it's time to turn off the internet and maybe go for a walk or something.

Good Lord, man, how do you spend your life getting irritated at such trivialities?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an internet forum, not a paper that will be graded, so things like that don't bother me. That said, bad grammar, misspelled words, and long, run-on sentences do tend to irritate me a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Just Sayin'" is trite too.
So is capitalizing the "S" in "sayin'.

When I was in Jr. H.S., beginning a sentence with "like" was cool. Did it stop us because it was grammatically incorrect - that would be uncool.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, no.

Or is it "no, yeah"?

Those two phrases are now commonly used to introduce answers. It doesn't seem to matter if it's a response to a "yes/no" question. These two two-word phrases can turn any reply into vapid babbling.

Commonly used in, "Yeah, no. So ... "
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ed Kennedy wrote:
SO, why do so many posters start their message with "So?" It would never fly in my college expository writing class. Would you start a sentence in a resume with "so?" To me it says: "I'm a kid and I don't really know how to write concisely. Don't take me seriously." Pet peeve? You bet! Just Sayin'


Haha! GUILTY as charged!!!

SO... for me it just feels a lot less formal... Just 'kinda' jumping into the conversation by dispensing with any type of bloated introduction or whatever. I realize that it isn't 'Proper' and in fact I would have to google 'expository writing' to see what it even was!!

While I DO take this trumpet forum seriously and have found it very helpful with my 'comeback', I've never even REMOTELY equated it to a college writing class or a resume! Being a full time musician my whole life I don't think I've ever even WRITTEN a resume... that might explain a lot right there!! Haha!

SO... I guess I don't feel too guilty about taking liberties with punctuation, grammar, etc. while posting on forums such as these... expository or not (haven't googled it yet:D) !!

I certainly don't want to poke anyone in the 'Pet Peeve' so I'll do my part and try not to start posts with 'So' but as far as the rest of it goes... a(an?) internet forum is still the gramatic Wild West to me!! Haha!

Sooo... there you go!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soo... I started my first thread after my reply here and I SOOO wanted to start it off with 'So' in the subject line but even with fingers trembling, STILL managed to fight off temptation! This is gonna be harder that I thought!! Curse you Ed!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I know what you mean...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like, wow...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People who say “me and him”

People who use ax when they mean ask.

What is particularly galling is knowing that, as I fade into the sunset, this will become standard usage for the masses. And it doesn’t matter what I think.

The other galling point is that I am becoming one of those people I thought were too anal when I was younger.

So...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LittleRusty wrote:
People who say “me and him”

People who use ax when they mean ask.

What is particularly galling is knowing that, as I fade into the sunset, this will become standard usage for the masses. And it doesn’t matter what I think.

The other galling point is that I am becoming one of those people I thought were too anal when I was younger.

So...

“I was recommended to him” when they mean “he was recommended to me”

Or “he borrowed me the money”. No! He loaned you the money.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a pet peeve of mine - people who use "I" incorrectly in an attempt to sound educated.

"The award was given to John, Dave, and I."

Nope, it's "me", not "I". If there's any doubt in usage, just leave the other names out and see how it sounds.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale Proctor wrote:
"The award was given to John, Dave, and I."
Nope, it's "me", not "I". If there's any doubt in usage, just leave the other names out and see how it sounds.


"The award was given to . . . me."

Learning how to diagram a sentence would make that immediately apparent. I understand that we don't diagram sentences anymore. Like no more recesses in some places. Sometimes something old doesn't mean it's outdated.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turkle wrote:
So, if this is the sort of thing that bothers you, it's time to turn off the internet and maybe go for a walk or something.

Good Lord, man, how do you spend your life getting irritated at such triviality's?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinstriper wrote:
Turkle wrote:
So, if this is the sort of thing that bothers you, it's time to turn off the internet and maybe go for a walk or something.

Good Lord, man, how do you spend your life getting irritated at such triviality's?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy cow. I agree that the post is a little hyper sensitive, but I’m a little surprised that it generated this much reaction.🤔

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale Proctor wrote:
Nope, it's "me", not "I". If there's any doubt in usage, just leave the other names out and see how it sounds.

Similar, and a pet peeve of mine:

The usage of its and it's: It's is a contraction of 'it is' Its is the possessive it.

Sound it out - if it sounds OK with "it is", then use the contraction. Otherwise, spell it correctly.

For example:
1) It's a shame people people don't know how to use the word properly.
2) The problem is because of its usage.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I typically don't comment much, since I find I've not much to add to the conversation that others can't say better. In this case the subject is much more related to my line of work than trumpets are (I research and write about grammar and usage for dictionaries, and have published a number of books and articles in the field).
While it's fine to have pet peeves about the way that other people use language I'd also like to point out that these peeves are largely based on arbitrary convention, the 'rules' (which aren't really rules) surrounding grammar and usage are constantly changing, and everyone is guilty of what others would think of as sloppy language.
Language, much like music, is a living and constantly changing thing - the way you know it's in trouble is that it hasn't shifted and offended anyone recently. The fact that each subsequent generation takes on new words and attitudes toward apostrophes is not an indication of linguistic turpitude, but a sign of the health of a living language.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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