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steevo Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:50 pm Post subject: Signature 2000 Bb |
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About a month ago I found something on Craigslist that I have been on my list for a long time... a Signature 2000 Bb. I finally got a chance to oil it up and play it. Wow! I have, and have had a number of outstanding trumpets. This is among the best that I have ever encountered. I haven't spent too much time with it yet, but from what I have played so far, I don't understand why folks don't seek these things out.
This one has the large diameter bell, which leads me to believe that this is an "LA" model. No where on it does it say DEG. It shows Signature, 2000 Custom Series U.S.A. The serial is F 520x, and the number 2098 is stamped on the underside of the mouthpiece receiver. The Monel valves are tight and feel great. The valve guides look just like Getzen. I expected to see the weird nylon system that I have seen on other Allied built horns.
I know Mr. Scodwell had a hand in the design of this trumpet. Anyone have any ideas about the lack of DEG markings or the valve guides? I really appreciate any thoughts.
Here are the obligatory photos:
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steevo Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I forgot this photo.
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Nice find! This is a sign of the times: E-Bay was a fad who's time has come and gone. Very little stuff is even listed there anymore, for whatever reason. (Bill me later getting their billing all wrong, ever-increasing fees of both E-Bay and paypal) We might be returning to the days of the local pawn shop find? (Along with goodwill, craig's list, etc.) |
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trmptz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 791 Location: St. Louis "Blues"!
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Signature 2000 Bb |
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steevo wrote: | About a month ago I found something on Craigslist that I have been on my list for a long time... a Signature 2000 Bb. I finally got a chance to oil it up and play it. Wow! I have, and have had a number of outstanding trumpets. This is among the best that I have ever encountered. I haven't spent too much time with it yet, but from what I have played so far, I don't understand why folks don't seek these things out.
This one has the large diameter bell, which leads me to believe that this is an "LA" model. No where on it does it say DEG. It shows Signature, 2000 Custom Series U.S.A. The serial is F 520x, and the number 2098 is stamped on the underside of the mouthpiece receiver. The Monel valves are tight and feel great. The valve guides look just like Getzen. I expected to see the weird nylon system that I have seen on other Allied built horns.
I know Mr. Scodwell had a hand in the design of this trumpet. Anyone have any ideas about the lack of DEG markings or the valve guides? I really appreciate any thoughts.
Here are the obligatory photos:
[imghttp://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w538/steevodotcom/IMG_20140326_184213358_zps67c5da40.jpg[/img]
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Here's a link to when it was listed 3 years ago.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/e-signature-2000-custom-series-bb-165890551 |
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steevo Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Signature 2000 Bb |
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This is not the same instrument. Mine has a different 1st valve hook and pinky ring. |
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ghelbig Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Signature 2000 Bb |
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steevo wrote: | Anyone have any ideas about the lack of DEG markings or the valve guides? I really appreciate any thoughts. |
Is it a D.E.G. ? I thought the Signature series was Getzen. (Getzen and DEG are different)
The valve guides look normal for a Getzen. The white plastic disappeared years ago; they are all black (delrin?) now.
Where's Adam when you need him?
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steevo Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Signature 2000 Bb |
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ghelbig wrote: |
The valve guides look normal for a Getzen. The white plastic disappeared years ago; they are all black (delrin?) now.
Where's Adam when you need him?
Gary. |
This is exactly what is puzzling me. No DEG anywhere on the horn, and a valve guide system that is a dead-ringer for Getzen. I have a few theories, but am hoping for someone in-the-know to chime in. |
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Adam R. Getzen Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Apr 2013 Posts: 654 Location: Elkhorn, WI.
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Component-wise it doesn't look very familiar to me. The receiver and first slide finger hook don't ring a bell. It could possibly be a component horn. I have to apologize for having almost no interest in horns that were manufactured when we didn't own the company. _________________ Adam R. Getzen
Vice President & Co-Owner
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ShawnMAnderson Regular Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2018 Posts: 17
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Signature 2000 Bb |
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Excellent discovery! I certainly agree to their quality. Since the early 90s, I've been playing on the NY protype with tunable bell which was designed by Tony Scodwell with the assistance of my old mentor Walter Blanton. Its needed nothing but cleaning and my removal of the old gold lacquer. Every several years I head into a shop to try out the latest horns and walk away all the more thrilled with mine. The series of horns seems to be better know in Europe and serves as a backup for Callet players.
I'm thrilled to have just purchased the Flugelhorn for the series which Tony made a particular point to recommend; still in route.
Kudos on your Craigslist find!
Shawn _________________ 3 x SCODWELL (Boston, Custom Standard & Flugel)
4 x DEG SIGNATURE 2000 (4-Valve picc, NY Prototype, LA Dizzy & Eb)
2 x 1920's & 1940's NY Bach Strad's
5 x C Strad's 229/239/236G/ C Spada
1 x Kanstul 1600S |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Signature 2000 Bb |
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ShawnMAnderson wrote: | ......
Kudos on your Craigslist find!
Shawn |
......five years ago.....π
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2827 Location: Littleton, MA
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Your Signature trumpet was built in the 1980βs for Donald E. Getzen by Allied Music, owned by his brother Robert βBobβ Getzen, so it is not a Getzen brand instrument at all. Many valve parts are common DEG Dynasty marching brass and early Monette valve sets. Bells were sourced from Kiefer of Elkhart, IN which was later bought out by Edwards and moved to Elkhorn, WI in order to establish bell making in-house. DEG Signature Bb trumpet models were identical, but with two different bells. The βNYβ bell was broader with an unsoldered 4 7/8" diameter rim. The βLAβ had a narrower profile at 5β diameter, made of lighter gauge brass with a soldered bead. Of course, Tony Scodwell can fill in any additional details I may have overlooked. _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
77 Powdermill Road Rt.62
Acton, MA 01720
www.osmun.com
Our workshop is as close as your nearest UPS store https://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US |
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