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evillalobos12
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 Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:33 pm Post subject: 27 throats...do any orchestral pros still play on those? |
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I’m just wondering because I happen to play on a mouthpiece with a 24 throat, and I know most stock mouthpieces that come with horns have 27 throats, but a buddy and I were talking and we think it’s a little funny, how orchestral pros, when asked by people (usually who aspire to one day be pros) how they choose mouthpieces or ask what mouthpieces people should buy in interviews, always answer: “Just play the mouthpiece that’s right for you”. Yet, I don’t think I’ve ever seen in any of those interviews that any of those pros play on anything with a throat numerically higher than a 25.
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According to his equipment page:
https://michaelsachs.com/equipment-2/
Mike Sachs uses a stock small letters 1-1/2C on Bb which means a 27 throat.
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evillalobos12
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Sorry, I should’ve been specific: this is regarding the mouthpieces they use with their C trumpets.
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| The new Bach Symphonic mouthpieces have 26 down to 22 throats, along with a 24 backbore. They are said to have been introduced because they represent common custom mouthpieces orchestral trumpet players often request. Apparently the demand for them justifies a production run, rather than custom work. |
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From what I am aware (and I don't know much), most orchestral players like larger throats, like 24. Although Michael Sach's page says that, I would not be surprised at all if his 1.5C is drilled out.
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| LaTrompeta wrote: | | From what I am aware (and I don't know much), most orchestral players like larger throats, like 24. Although Michael Sach's page says that, I would not be surprised at all if his 1.5C is drilled out. |
Possibly, but he specifies a 1-1/2C with a 23 throat and 117 backbore for C, D and Eb trumpets. I would think he would be just as specific with his Bb mouthpiece if it had been altered, especially since he explicitly says it's a stock mouthpiece.
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:20 am Post subject: Re: 27 throats...do any orchestral pros still play on those? |
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| evillalobos12 wrote: | | I’m just wondering because I happen to play on a mouthpiece with a 24 throat, and I know most stock mouthpieces that come with horns have 27 throats, but a buddy and I were talking and we think it’s a little funny, how orchestral pros, when asked by people (usually who aspire to one day be pros) how they choose mouthpieces or ask what mouthpieces people should buy in interviews, always answer: “Just play the mouthpiece that’s right for you”. Yet, I don’t think I’ve ever seen in any of those interviews that any of those pros play on anything with a throat numerically higher than a 25. |
Well that is a stock answer because it's generally good advice.
The other side of the coin is you have to use the right tool for the job, and a more open piston C trumpet for American orchestras is more or less going to necessitate a particular mouthpiece to balance the horn and sound production requirements.
And typically, those mouthpiece on that horn ARE just what works for them. 
Not quite a pro, but on a standard Bb I use a GR66q*b (essentially an efficient, deep 3c), and as open as it is it simply has limitations on my Chicago C, which is why I use a (rather large due to old Bach tooling)Bach 3c bored out to 22 on it. Playing middle of the road soloistic stuff I can get away with the GR on the Chicago. But any extreme playing, such as the kind of playing to ride on top of 100 other instruments, or barely be heard, the GR is not the piece for that horn.
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For orchestral playing on either of my Cs, I never could play loud enough on a 27 throat.
Ross Beacraft told me in a lesson when when working on Tchaik 4 that they wouldn’t even know I was alive in the CSO. Then he said to drill out my MP one size at a time until it’s too big. Then buy a new MP and drill it to the size I last liked.
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