Shallowest Flugel Mouthpieces?

THE BD · Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:30 am Post subject: Shallowest Flugel Mouthpieces?

What options are there for SHALLOW flugel pieces without going custom?

Before anyone goes crazy, I am not using it on my actual flugel, I tend to prefer deeper V cups on flugel. I have a 1915 Martin slide trumpet, and it uses a flugel shank mouthpiece. I'd like to use something more trumpet like and shallower to have a brighter more trumpet-like tone!

Thanks!
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Tobylou8 · Veteran Member Joined: 23 Feb 2019 Posts: 157

Hmm, you could check Stork's website, they list their specs. But, "shallow" in flugel is relative for flugel. I have a shallow Stork Vacchiano that is cavernous.

Martin · Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:15 am Post subject:

1915 Martin slide trumpet... are you sure it isn´t a slide cornet and thus takes a cornet shaft? Would certainly make your search a lot easier.

THE BD · Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:32 am Post subject:

nieuwguyski · Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:04 pm Post subject:

Maybe there's a tradition about slide trumpet mouthpieces...

I have a nasty old Getzen slide trumpet. It came with the original mouthpiece which is definitely a flugel shank, but it has a typical trumpet/cornet C cup.

As far as shallow flugel pieces go, I've played with three players (two of them old-timers since deceased) who played custom Schilke flugel pieces with the medium-shallow trumpet B cup. The senior guys were simply looking for something easier to play and at separate times both looked at my flugel piece and expressed... well, they thought I was working harder than I needed to. They both had a "fluffy" flugel sound concept, and while they didn't have particularly dark flugel sounds you never would have guessed how shallow their mouthpieces were. The guy I still play with simply has a bright sound concept and plays the equipment that helps him get it.
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Rod Haney · Heavyweight Member Joined: 22 Aug 2015 Posts: 937

Get a flugel shank and a trumpet cup used this will give you huge variety. I play wedge and it’s easy. I have a Flumpet so I look for the brighter tone
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EBjazz · Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:04 pm Post subject:

Warburton makes a FM or something like that. It is a shallow flugel piece.
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iiipopes · Heavyweight Member Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 548

My two Couesnon mouthpieces are a little shallower than the current fad. Where even with the proper shank, most contemporary mouthpieces will not work with my horn in either tone or intonation, the stock mouthpieces do and provide excellent tone and intonation, all the way from bottom to top. Most older flugel mouthpieces are the same way. If you can find a contemporary mouthpiece to the horn, that may be the best way to go, as they are made to match the tone and intonation of the horn, as my two Couesnon mouthpieces match my Couesnon flugel.
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terry horace · Veteran Member Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Posts: 118

The stock Pickett flugel mouthpieces are relatively shallow and have a 22 throat, which is on the small side for flugelhorn mouthpieces. The Bob Reeves F cup is very efficient as well and they both sound good.

O00Joe · Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:01 am Post subject:

Bach makes most of their standard sizes with flügel shanks. Check out Mouthpiece Express, you could even get a 3F.
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THE BD · Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:30 am Post subject:

nieuwguyski · Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:46 pm Post subject:

That's very interesting. The Mouthpiece Express website does claim to have Bach 3F flugel mouthpieces in stock.

I will point out that Bach flugelhorn mouthpieces have deeper cups than the trumpet/cornet mouthpieces with exactly the same label. That is to say, a Bach 1 flugel mouthpiece is significantly deeper than a 1 trumpet or cornet mouthpiece. Despite what's going on with Kanstul their "mouthpiece comparator" site is still up:

http://www.kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html

The scrolling list of mouthpieces starts with modern Bach trumpet mouthpieces ("B3C"), then shows scanned Mount Vernon cups ("BMV3C"), then shows scanned New York cups ("BNY3C"), and then shows the standard modern flugel cups ("BFL3C"). If you superimpose a modern B3C scan over a BFL3C scan you'll see how much deeper the flugel cup is than the trumpet/cornet.
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THE BD · Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:40 am Post subject:

iiipopes · Heavyweight Member Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 548

Have you thought of asking Curry for the cornet cup, throat and backbore of your desire with the flugel shank that fits your horn?
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Richard III · Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:21 am Post subject:

I don't know whether these are any good or anything about the company, but I found this doing a search for similar. They supposedly have a cornet to flugel and trumpet to flugel mouthpiece adapter:

http://www.truevee.com/adapters.asp
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Jasoncruzmusic · Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:37 pm Post subject:

Austin Custom Brass makes a wide range of flugel mouthpieces that might suit your needs. I was playing lead in a big band that had me blowing E's and F's on Bb while needing to carry some long melodies above the staff on flugel. With help from Josh and Trent at ACB, I purchased their Flugel Lead 1.25 piece that transitioned easily for my upper range needs.

mpcsales@austincustombrass.com

Rod Haney · Heavyweight Member Joined: 22 Aug 2015 Posts: 937

Flugel shank and a trumpet top you like. Solved my problems with a Taylor Flumpet.
Rod

JLandressBrassCustServ. · Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:43 am Post subject:

I would recommend trying the Yamaha "Bobby Shew" Flugelhorn mouthpiece!

Pretty inexpensive and very easy to play.
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THE BD · Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:17 am Post subject:

giakara · Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 1:26 pm Post subject:

Reeves F and Warburton FLM cups .

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