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THE BD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:30 am Post subject: Shallowest Flugel Mouthpieces? |
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What options are there for SHALLOW flugel pieces without going custom?
Before anyone goes crazy, I am not using it on my actual flugel, I tend to prefer deeper V cups on flugel. I have a 1915 Martin slide trumpet, and it uses a flugel shank mouthpiece. I'd like to use something more trumpet like and shallower to have a brighter more trumpet-like tone!
Thanks! _________________ Martin D Williams
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Tobylou8 Veteran Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2019 Posts: 157
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, you could check Stork's website, they list their specs. But, "shallow" in flugel is relative for flugel. I have a shallow Stork Vacchiano that is cavernous. |
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Martin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:15 am Post subject: |
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1915 Martin slide trumpet... are you sure it isn´t a slide cornet and thus takes a cornet shaft? Would certainly make your search a lot easier. |
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THE BD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Martin wrote: | 1915 Martin slide trumpet... are you sure it isn´t a slide cornet and thus takes a cornet shaft? Would certainly make your search a lot easier. |
Absolutely. Cornet mouthpieces don't have a ghost of a chance of fitting, it's well beyond the possibility of having been reamed out by jamming to big of a mouthpiece in there I would think. _________________ Martin D Williams
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe there's a tradition about slide trumpet mouthpieces...
I have a nasty old Getzen slide trumpet. It came with the original mouthpiece which is definitely a flugel shank, but it has a typical trumpet/cornet C cup.
As far as shallow flugel pieces go, I've played with three players (two of them old-timers since deceased) who played custom Schilke flugel pieces with the medium-shallow trumpet B cup. The senior guys were simply looking for something easier to play and at separate times both looked at my flugel piece and expressed... well, they thought I was working harder than I needed to. They both had a "fluffy" flugel sound concept, and while they didn't have particularly dark flugel sounds you never would have guessed how shallow their mouthpieces were. The guy I still play with simply has a bright sound concept and plays the equipment that helps him get it. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Get a flugel shank and a trumpet cup used this will give you huge variety. I play wedge and it’s easy. I have a Flumpet so I look for the brighter tone
Rod |
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EBjazz Heavyweight Member
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:55 am Post subject: |
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My two Couesnon mouthpieces are a little shallower than the current fad. Where even with the proper shank, most contemporary mouthpieces will not work with my horn in either tone or intonation, the stock mouthpieces do and provide excellent tone and intonation, all the way from bottom to top. Most older flugel mouthpieces are the same way. If you can find a contemporary mouthpiece to the horn, that may be the best way to go, as they are made to match the tone and intonation of the horn, as my two Couesnon mouthpieces match my Couesnon flugel. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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terry horace Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:13 am Post subject: |
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The stock Pickett flugel mouthpieces are relatively shallow and have a 22 throat, which is on the small side for flugelhorn mouthpieces. The Bob Reeves F cup is very efficient as well and they both sound good. |
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O00Joe Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Bach makes most of their standard sizes with flügel shanks. Check out Mouthpiece Express, you could even get a 3F. _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
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THE BD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:30 am Post subject: |
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O00Joe wrote: | Bach makes most of their standard sizes with flügel shanks. Check out Mouthpiece Express, you could even get a 3F. |
Good to know! _________________ Martin D Williams
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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That's very interesting. The Mouthpiece Express website does claim to have Bach 3F flugel mouthpieces in stock.
I will point out that Bach flugelhorn mouthpieces have deeper cups than the trumpet/cornet mouthpieces with exactly the same label. That is to say, a Bach 1 flugel mouthpiece is significantly deeper than a 1 trumpet or cornet mouthpiece. Despite what's going on with Kanstul their "mouthpiece comparator" site is still up:
http://www.kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html
The scrolling list of mouthpieces starts with modern Bach trumpet mouthpieces ("B3C"), then shows scanned Mount Vernon cups ("BMV3C"), then shows scanned New York cups ("BNY3C"), and then shows the standard modern flugel cups ("BFL3C"). If you superimpose a modern B3C scan over a BFL3C scan you'll see how much deeper the flugel cup is than the trumpet/cornet. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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THE BD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:40 am Post subject: |
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nieuwguyski wrote: | That's very interesting. The Mouthpiece Express website does claim to have Bach 3F flugel mouthpieces in stock.
I will point out that Bach flugelhorn mouthpieces have deeper cups than the trumpet/cornet mouthpieces with exactly the same label. That is to say, a Bach 1 flugel mouthpiece is significantly deeper than a 1 trumpet or cornet mouthpiece. Despite what's going on with Kanstul their "mouthpiece comparator" site is still up:
http://www.kanstul.com/MPcompare/MouthpieceComparator.html
The scrolling list of mouthpieces starts with modern Bach trumpet mouthpieces ("B3C"), then shows scanned Mount Vernon cups ("BMV3C"), then shows scanned New York cups ("BNY3C"), and then shows the standard modern flugel cups ("BFL3C"). If you superimpose a modern B3C scan over a BFL3C scan you'll see how much deeper the flugel cup is than the trumpet/cornet. |
You're definitely not wrong, I have a Bach 7AFL flugel piece that came with a horn somewhere, I feel like swimming in it's depths!
The 3F so far though is looking the closest to something I'll find comfortable, still doing a little more research before a purchase! _________________ Martin D Williams
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Have you thought of asking Curry for the cornet cup, throat and backbore of your desire with the flugel shank that fits your horn? _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:21 am Post subject: |
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I don't know whether these are any good or anything about the company, but I found this doing a search for similar. They supposedly have a cornet to flugel and trumpet to flugel mouthpiece adapter:
http://www.truevee.com/adapters.asp _________________ Richard
King 1130 Flugabone
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Jasoncruzmusic New Member
Joined: 03 Oct 2013 Posts: 4 Location: Fresno, CA
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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Austin Custom Brass makes a wide range of flugel mouthpieces that might suit your needs. I was playing lead in a big band that had me blowing E's and F's on Bb while needing to carry some long melodies above the staff on flugel. With help from Josh and Trent at ACB, I purchased their Flugel Lead 1.25 piece that transitioned easily for my upper range needs.
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Flugel shank and a trumpet top you like. Solved my problems with a Taylor Flumpet.
Rod |
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JLandressBrassCustServ. Regular Member
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:43 am Post subject: |
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I would recommend trying the Yamaha "Bobby Shew" Flugelhorn mouthpiece!
Pretty inexpensive and very easy to play. _________________ Garrett Faccone
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THE BD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:17 am Post subject: |
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JLandressBrassCustServ. wrote: | I would recommend trying the Yamaha "Bobby Shew" Flugelhorn mouthpiece!
Pretty inexpensive and very easy to play. |
You know, I actually had that piece in my hand yesterday, it came with my 6310Z flugel years ago, and I have never tried it with this horn! _________________ Martin D Williams
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Reeves F and Warburton FLM cups .
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
Reeves/Purviance mpcs |
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