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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:10 am    Post subject: Dick Sudhalter's Cornet Reply with quote

Starting a new thread because I love old cornets and I love his sound. What is he playing?

[img]DickSudhalterCornet by genevie7, on Flickr[/img]
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would hazard a guess as it's some type of Eb cornet due to the lead pipe tuning.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tuning bit indicates late 1800's or early 1900's. It's a short cornet for sure. The proximity of the end of the third tuning slide to the bell is another characteristic to note.

I've ruled out Boston, Conn and King cornets.

Oh, and I believe it is a Bb.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at all of these cornets and tell me what you think. Look at the angle of the third valve slide in Sudhalter's photo. Match that up with one of the photos and see.

http://www.brasshistory.net/Museum.html
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it be?

[img]ConnWorcester12564after by genevie7, on Flickr[/img]
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am leaning towards an early model Boston. The angle of the third valve slide and the siamesed water keys are my best clues.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also belive that is a Boston model and for sure a Bb cornet.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

His bio says that he was born in Boston. Don’t know if that would have any influence; for example, availability of an instrument.

If he was born in 1938, that cornet looks like it would have been an antique even when that photo was taken - 1950’s?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ProAm wrote:
His bio says that he was born in Boston. Don’t know if that would have any influence; for example, availability of an instrument.

If he was born in 1938, that cornet looks like it would have been an antique even when that photo was taken - 1950’s?


The combination of the tuning bit, odd angle of the third valve slide and the wishbone water key all says it was made in the late 1800's to early 1900's. I wish there was more information about him dealing with his music.

The series of photos I posted is for a Conn Wonder from that time period.

The other thing of note in the photo of him playing is how far the tuning bit extends back beyond the body of the horn.

Still a mystery. I keep looking.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard III wrote:

The other thing of note in the photo of him playing is how far the tuning bit extends back beyond the body of the horn.


I noticed that as well; could be playing an "A" bit.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked Robb Stewart what he thought it was. His first idea was an early Conn Wonder. I just bought one from 1887. Should be delivered in a few days. I'll report back when I have it in my hand.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH8yvL2V7Xo

Good video with Dick and the cornet; my guess is a Boston. Does anybody know who the trombone player is in the video clip?[/youtube]
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google says:

The personnel is Richard M. Sudhalter and Warren Vache, cornets; Ephie Resnick, trombone; Bob Wilber, reeds; Kenny Davern, bass sax

And I've never found a Boston with the angled third valve slide tube.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is worth a look.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GordonH wrote:
This is worth a look.


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This is one of my favourite youtube video's.

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