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Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 5:50 pm Post subject:
kehaulani wrote:
I'll probably get wirebrushed for this, but . .
If that's not musicianship, I don't know what is. Devoid of feeling? What an insult.
She's performing in an older genre and to do that, she has to stay relatively within certain confines. Is she on the creative level of a Woody Shaw or Ingrid Jenson? IMO no. But the genre doesn't allow for as much room. It's backward, not forward, looking. But that doesn't make it just journeyman playing.
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 8:47 pm Post subject:
I'm sorry, but what a colossal joke this thread is.
Ingrid is one of the most melodic players, one of the deepest artists playing the trumpet today. To suggest otherwise only displays complete and total ignorance of jazz music. That's for starters.
I could go on, but I would only regret it tomorrow, so I'll just list some incredible female trumpet players that all deserve more attention.
There's no such this as "the best" in music/art. That being said, Ingrid as a superb/top level jazz artist and a very nice person. _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
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I'm sorry, but what a colossal joke this thread is.
It's just a topic for discussion. It's not personal. The responses don't affect you in any way. There's no reason for anyone to get upset. If someone doesn't like the topic or the responses they can and should simply not participate.
That being said, thank you for sharing your list. There are players there I've never heard before. I'll try to find recordings to expand my knowledge and perspective (which was the objective of the thread in the first place). _________________ HERMOKIWI
That was nicely done by Bria. It's a lot more difficult than the uneducated listener thinks to make a plunger solo work well and certainly Bria did an excellent job with great texturing. It's fun to watch/hear performances like this.
I would say no. This is a high level of artisanal craft but not of musicianship. What we call a "technician". Very difficult to attain technically but devoid of feeling.
This just goes to show that "taste" is a very personal and highly subjective thing and that everyone has an opinion. C'est la vie!
Getting back to Ingrid Jensen, I checked out some of the links to her playing embedded in this thread, and I would agree that she understands jazz and is a skilled player. I can listen to the style of jazz she seems to favor about half the time (when I am in the mood to appreciate it).
This may do no more than highlight a shortcoming on my part, but I would be able to "understand" her better if I could hear her do a solo on "Cherokee" or "Giant Steps", or on a ballad like "Whisper Not" or "Along Came Betty" (or "Round Midnight", for that matter). After all, even Keith Jarrett was willing to do 'standards' (and put out several albums of them).
It's gracious on your part, to acknowledge shortcomings, especially in light of a number of posts attributing deficiency to whoever it is that finds themselves less than gratified, by a central issue in the music.
Certainly no shortcoming can possibly exist with themselves.. At the same time, as the thread comes and goes, the well articulated point you've just made goes by the wayside. It's not being addressed partially, or even remotely.
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Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 5:48 am Post subject:
I think some of y'all should keep your opinions to yourselves and just go back to worshipping Henry James, Chet Baker, and Maynard. If you don't get Jensen and feel like you could only understand her if she played fakebook classics, maybe just don't contribute to this thread. The OP was looking for great women jazz players, not detractors of great women jazz players.
Joined: 06 Jan 2010 Posts: 543 Location: Brooklyn, New York
Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 12:30 pm Post subject:
HERMOKIWI wrote:
lakejw wrote:
I'm sorry, but what a colossal joke this thread is.
It's just a topic for discussion. It's not personal. The responses don't affect you in any way. There's no reason for anyone to get upset. If someone doesn't like the topic or the responses they can and should simply not participate.
GOOD point. Perhaps I'll turn off the computer and go listen to some of that "melodic" jazz, you know, to calm me down. _________________ New Album "ensemble | in situ" on Bandcamp
I think some of y'all should keep your opinions to yourselves and just go back to worshipping Henry James, Chet Baker, and Maynard. If you don't get Jensen and feel like you could only understand her if she played fakebook classics, maybe just don't contribute to this thread. The OP was looking for great women jazz players, not detractors of great women jazz players.
Henry James, the writer? ___________________or___________Harry James, the trumpet player?
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Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 12:12 am Post subject:
There seems to be some confusion about the real name of Harry James.
Allmusic.com:
Active1930s - 1980s
BornMarch 15, 1916 in Albany, GA
DiedJuly 5, 1983 in Las Vegas, NV
Genre
Jazz
Vocal
Styles
Sweet Bands
Big Band
Swing
Traditional Pop
Jazz Instrument
Orchestral
Trumpet Jazz
Also Known As
Henry Haag James
and Walk of fame:
Harry James
Henry Haag ?Harry? James was an American musician and bandleader. James was an instrumentalist of the swing era, employing a bravura playing style that made his trumpet work identifiable. He was one of the most popular bandleaders of the first half of the 1940s, and he continued to lead his band until just before his death, 40 years later.
..... Shaye Cohn of Tuba Skinny. Third generation jazz musician, great leader of one of the most popular trad jazz bands in the world...classically trained but made her mark busking in New Orleans.
I just ran across her and Tuba Skinny the other day on YouTube, they are super entertaining. She is the cornet player, correct?
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:56 pm Post subject:
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I just ran across her and Tuba Skinny the other day on YouTube, they are super entertaining. She is the cornet player, correct?
Yes. She is the cornet player. She also plays pretty mean piano too. Really nice person too, by the way. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
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