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Carney2.0 New Member
Joined: 09 May 2019 Posts: 3 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 8:23 pm Post subject: Unmarked Rotary Trumpets |
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Hey, all,
This is my second post on this wondrous website. Please forgive any ignorance i display!
After poking around on the internet, I've seen a ton of unmarked, vintage rotary trumpets, most around $150 - $250. After reading up on Wikipedia and other places about them, I understand their German/Austrian provenance and use in orchestras. What I'm wondering about is the quality of "unmarked" rotary horns. Do these pre-date manufacturing stamps? Do they come out of China or Soviet Russia? Are they from smaller firms that produced horns for larger companies? Will they sound substantially worse than others? Just curious - and really, really wanting to buy a cool rotary trumpet. _________________ 1950 (?) Tanabe
1954 Getzen 90 DeLuxe
1977 Getzen Eterna Doc Severinsen
1925 Conn Director |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2053 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Not a professional by any means but this is what I know. Quite some of them may be old, some over 100 years, so pitch, intonation, and/or general technical situation maybe an issue. A lot of them may originate from Bohemia or the Markneukirchen/Germany region, which was/is famous for being the home to many reputed instrument makers (not only brass).
In spite of their age, some may be good playing horns and I know at least one colleague who is happy with his Bb tuba from 1915 ...
If you see markings that look like a "n" or similar followed by something that looks like numbers, the origin is most likely the soviet union - not recommended.
There are however makers that I have seen people buy and play such as Bohland & Fuchs, Ernst David Bielefeld, or Glier Markneukirchen. Newer used brands would include Ganter and the like but they will be more expensive.
I really don't know anything solid about Austrian horns. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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luckej Regular Member
Joined: 28 Jun 2019 Posts: 30
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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A note about German/Austrian instruments: A music historian tells me that Germany standardized on A440 around 1885, so that's probably part of the reason antique horns from that area are still playable today. I couldn't find this information on the internet, hope this helps!
I'm probably bringing this post back from the dead, but there doesn't seem to be much out there on German horns, so I'm curious about what you may have found in the last year. =) _________________ 1971 Yamaconn cornet (my comeback horn)
Reynolds Argenta
Reynolds Professional
Markneukirchen Fürst Pless
…too many others to list... |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12663 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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luckej wrote: | A note about German/Austrian instruments: A music historian tells me that Germany standardized on A440 around 1885, so that's probably part of the reason antique horns from that area are still playable today. I couldn't find this information on the internet, hope this helps!
I'm probably bringing this post back from the dead, but there doesn't seem to be much out there on German horns, so I'm curious about what you may have found in the last year. =) |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440_(pitch_standard)
Here you go. A Wikipedia article on pitch standard. |
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