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I had send in the past my Lawler TL5-1A to Schagerl shop and they remove the old silver and silverplated but I don't know how they do it, the one I now is that they have done great job becose I bout the horn in new condition the 2004 and the second year the silver have gone at contact points , I send it to Schager atl 2009 and after ten year's the silver is like the first day.
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I had my Bach Strad's silver removed by Anderson silver plating a few years ago. It came back looking a bit splotchy, mostly raw brass with a few tiny areas with some silver left on the 3rd slide where the two braces are. Based on that, I would guess they used a reverse plating process. Since I am a brass tech, it wasn't a big deal for me to polish out the splotchy areas. I think I spent about $100 + shipping.
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Buffing would remove a lot of metal and be very hard to do evenly. Usually chemical and the chemicals are usually nasty things you would not want around (and are hard to dispose of properly). Even with chemical nooks and crannies are hard to clear. Personally I'd take it to a good shop and get it refinished (in silver). I have not heard of "removing the old silver" but not something I really know; I would have assumed they would have buffed and cleaned as much (little) as needed then replated.
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| gord-o wrote: | | I had my Bach Strad's silver removed by Anderson silver plating a few years ago. It came back looking a bit splotchy, mostly raw brass with a few tiny areas with some silver left on the 3rd slide where the two braces are. Based on that, I would guess they used a reverse plating process. Since I am a brass tech, it wasn't a big deal for me to polish out the splotchy areas. I think I spent about $100 + shipping. |
Yes, I too have had Anderson strip plating, both gold and silver. They have the correct way to do it, if what you want is raw brass or something that can be refinished and lacquered. With a Schilke though, I'd probably be inclined to refinish without stripping and replate it in silver. That was the intended finish from the factory.
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I would be very cautious about having the silver plating removed by anyone that doesn't have extensive experience in doing that with musical instruments.
In addition to the surface silver plating, it is possible (likely?) that some of the major solder joints were done with silver-bearing solders. And you don't want any of that silver to be removed by chemical or reverse electro-plating methods.
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| Donjon wrote: | Very interesting. I'm going to let it flake away for the time being and decide whether I'd like to go raw eventually.
I hadn't considered that the joints might contain silver. Has anyone seen a raw Schilke? I've searched google but can't find any. |
Nope. If they exist, it's because someone paid to have someone strip the silver off.
Although I think you can get a Schilke in lacquer now, all Schilkes were silver plated. Period. Unless you wanted Gold Plate. No raw brass and no lacquer.
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Yes, I too have had Anderson strip plating, both gold and silver. They have the correct way to do it, if what you want is raw brass or something that can be refinished and lacquered. With a Schilke though, I'd probably be inclined to refinish without stripping and replate it in silver. That was the intended finish from the factory.
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+1. This is the correct answer. I have a horn that was replated without completely stripping. It is my "daily driver" C trumpet and the silverplate from Anderson came out beautifully. |
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Stripping silver is done with a reverse electro plate. Andersons does this for us, which then requires finishing work. If your horn has nickel silver parts (your Schilke is all brass) never have the plating stripped as the process with etch the nickel silver and ruin tolerances on the nickel silver parts.
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| Crazy Finn wrote: | | Donjon wrote: | Very interesting. I'm going to let it flake away for the time being and decide whether I'd like to go raw eventually.
I hadn't considered that the joints might contain silver. Has anyone seen a raw Schilke? I've searched google but can't find any. |
Nope. If they exist, it's because someone paid to have someone strip the silver off.
Although I think you can get a Schilke in lacquer now, all Schilkes were silver plated. Period. Unless you wanted Gold Plate. No raw brass and no lacquer. |
Mike Olmos in San Francisco plays a lacquered Schilke that came that way from the factory. It was built for the US Army. Very rare, but they are out there.
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| JayKosta wrote: | I would be very cautious about having the silver plating removed by anyone that doesn't have extensive experience in doing that with musical instruments.
In addition to the surface silver plating, it is possible (likely?) that some of the major solder joints were done with silver-bearing solders. And you don't want any of that silver to be removed by chemical or reverse electro-plating methods.
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Stripping plating, in the way that Anderson does it, poses no problem to solder joints. There are points that have high temperature brazing solders that may contain silver, but they are unaffected by stripping.
I have a Conn 28B from the 20's that had gold plating. The original owner must have played a lot, as it was pretty trashed. So I saw the logical thing to do was to have Anderson strip the plating so I could get a clean finish on the metal. It worked really well, and there was both brass and copper on the horn.
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| thomasmarriott wrote: | | Mike Olmos in San Francisco plays a lacquered Schilke that came that way from the factory. It was built for the US Army. Very rare, but they are out there. |
Fair enough!
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| I personally called Andersons about this specific matter several months ago. They told me that the process could be done with a sort of reverse electroplating process and that I should make sure that there are no nickel silver parts of the horn or the horn could be damaged during the process. It's your responsibility to check if your horn does contain nickel silver parts. |
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I had Andersons strip silver off an Olds Recording for me. Came out very nice.
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| J. Landress Brass wrote: | | Stripping silver is done with a reverse electro plate. Andersons does this for us, which then requires finishing work. If your horn has nickel silver parts (your Schilke is all brass) never have the plating stripped as the process with etch the nickel silver and ruin tolerances on the nickel silver parts. |
I am planning on sending my LA Benge to be stripped of its silver. Are there any nickel parts in those? |
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| trumpet2012fhl wrote: | | J. Landress Brass wrote: | | Stripping silver is done with a reverse electro plate. Andersons does this for us, which then requires finishing work. If your horn has nickel silver parts (your Schilke is all brass) never have the plating stripped as the process with etch the nickel silver and ruin tolerances on the nickel silver parts. |
I am planning on sending my LA Benge to be stripped of its silver. Are there any nickel parts in those? |
No, 100 percent yellow brass.
One word of advice - leave the finger buttons alone or have them hand-finished. The pearl could be damaged by the strong acid solution.
And keep the pistons as well, just send the valve stems.
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