Yam 11C4 = what era of Bach 7C?

JetJaguar · Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:06 pm Post subject: Yam 11C4 = what era of Bach 7C?

Hello Friends,

What era of Bach 7C does the Yamaha 11C4 most resemble?

thanks
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Crazy Finn · Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:15 pm Post subject:

IMHO - none of them. It's less deep than any 7C. Also the rim is better, though which might be more like a MV rim, because it's certainly not like a current or 90's-2000's era 7C rim.

Better for beginners in my opinion. A 7C with a better rim and friendlier cup depth - better in general.
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JetJaguar · Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:17 pm Post subject:

Thanks Finn. That's just the kind of insight I was looking for. I like my 11C4. I thought maybe the rim was like an older 7C, believing newer 7C's to have more cushioned rims, which may not be true. It does seem to be true for the CKB 7C though. I think the wider rim robs me of some precision and grip.
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1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece

I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com

Don Herman rev2 · Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:25 am Post subject:

Yamaha generally follows Schilke rather than Bach in their mouthpiece designs IME. If you want a "better than Bach, Bach" check out Mark Curry's line.

FWIWFM - Don
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jadickson · Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:42 am Post subject:

Don Herman rev2 · Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:03 am Post subject:

Mark also has a line closer to the modern sizes. I don't remember it off-hand.
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JetJaguar · Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:25 am Post subject:

I have an older 11C4 that has:

Yamaha 11C4 - 7C

stamped on the cup. thats what makes me liken it to the Bach 7C.
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1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece

I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com

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Crazy Finn · Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:08 am Post subject:

Highmarques · Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:05 pm Post subject:

Hi OP,

So I was digging around in some old cases and I found a Yamaha 11C4-7C and Bach 7C that I bought in 1992. FWIW they appear nearly identical in rim and throat size. The Yamaha appears to have a slightly larger backbore and while both stamped 7C the cup shape is different. The Yamaha has a sharper inner rim and more of a bowl shaped, shallower cup.

So weirdly, the Yamaha seems to have the same backbore and bowl shape as the Bach artisan C. I remember reading that the artisan is based on the old Bach designs, so Yamaha could have used one of those for inspiration? Maybe give an artisan mouthpiece a try and see if it plays the same to you?

Louise Finch · Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:03 am Post subject: