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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:36 am Post subject: |
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From what I've been able to gather so far, they're available in Europe, but not in the US yet. They were designed out of a Yamaha Atelier shop in Germany from what I have read. Perhaps they are being made there as well, instead of in Japan?
Could be limited supply, or just not made it over here on a big shipment yet. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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Orban Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:12 am Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | From what I've been able to gather so far, they're available in Europe, but not in the US yet. They were designed out of a Yamaha Atelier shop in Germany from what I have read. Perhaps they are being made there as well, instead of in Japan?
Could be limited supply, or just not made it over here on a big shipment yet. |
No, they are made in Japan.
Not sold in the US for now? Perhaps only a practical reason, such as expanding the factory space .. training technicians etc.
America / US is a big market. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3298 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:40 am Post subject: |
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RandyTX wrote: | ... they're available in Europe, but not in the US yet. ... |
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Maybe because the USA dealer network has too many unsold comparable models.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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TrpM Regular Member
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:56 am Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: | RandyTX wrote: | ... they're available in Europe, but not in the US yet. ... |
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Maybe because the USA dealer network has too many unsold comparable models.
Jay |
My guess is it's limited production. From the rumor mill, I think it's possibly being built in low volume in Germany in their 'Atelier' shop instead of Japan, but maybe only the design work was done there and it's still manufactured with their other horns?
It might also just be that it's not available in sufficient quantities yet to send any to the US market.
It's also oddly low-priced for something that seems to be in high demand. I think a piece of the puzzle is still missing. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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The designer of 6335RC says, at the end of the video:
"If I had this trumpet, 22 years ago, honestly speaking, I might have decided to make my living from trumpet playing".
Sounds like a loop in time. |
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agroovin48 Regular Member
Joined: 07 Feb 2014 Posts: 94 Location: Goodyear, Arizona
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Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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The specs on this trumpet are available on the Yamaha Europe website.
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Gold brass reverse Y01 lead pipe.
2 piece gold brass 4 7/8" bell.
One piece valve casings.
.459 medium large bore.
Medium weight
Gold Lacquer.
TR-14B4 mouthpiece.
Case included.
Intermediate? Professional? You be the judge. Being a Yamaha, I am sure that it is very nice. _________________ agroovin48
Alan Cahill
1933 Conn Victor 80A Cornet
King Legend 2070
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Orban Regular Member
Joined: 18 Jun 2018 Posts: 66
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:56 am Post subject: |
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The 6335RC again out of stock at Thomann (huge instruments shop in Germany).
I think they sell a lot of them.
Also positive...until now no B-stock. (items sended back by customers) |
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JVL Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 894 Location: Nissa, France
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Andrea Tofanelli is really happy with his one |
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maxbert Regular Member
Joined: 09 Sep 2013 Posts: 22 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:44 am Post subject: |
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I do also own a RC since march. It's a great trumpet which is versatile enough to cover all my needs. Since I play it, my (really good) Benge 3X+ remains untouched. |
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Jonesie Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:13 am Post subject: |
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I tried it for a few days...For me it was basically a 4335 with a reverse leadpipe.
Felt quite heavy for a commercial trumpet and it came with the type of case you get with a student horn.
Has a great sound and fantastic build quality that you would expect from a yamaha , but i preferred my Yamaha LA! |
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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So the 4335 with the lead pipe of the 3335?!
The 4335 you can find over here for €700,- the 6335Rc for €2000,-
That is easy money for Yammie _________________ Technology alone is a poor substitute for experience. (Richard Sachs) |
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Gonzalez Veteran Member
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agroovin48 Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Go back to my original post on the specs of the 6335RC and ask yourself some basic questions.
Yamaha has brought out some new models of trumpets in the last few years and they have spoken about purity of sound and the merits of a side seamed, hand hammered, one piece bell on their Custom Series and their Artist Series trumpets and at least hand hammered one piece bells on the Xeno Series, yet this model has a two piece bell like their student and intermediate models
Many performers and artists prefer a yellow brass bell (a purely subjective choice) over gold brass because they believe that it gives them a brighter sound and more projection that is desirable in a commercial trumpet. This model has a gold brass bell.
Yamaha specs a Y01 reversed lead pipe. What is a Y01 lead pipe? I can't find any information on it or any other Yamaha lead pipe, although I do have 8335 Xeno II RGS that is a fabulous horn. Does it have a Y01 lead pipe?
Recent improvements in the 8310Z and other models state that there is much improved response using a light weight two piece valve casing, yet this model has a one piece valve casing that Yamaha claims to improve response. So which is it? Does a one piece or a two piece valve casing improve response?
Then, there are the the minute details about the shape of the water keys and other features that one would have to use some kind of a a machine to register the results with. These things are almost imperceptible to the human ear yet they are claimed to improve response. Who can hear it or feel it? I don't doubt that someone might be able to, but I would like someone to chime in and verify these claims.
So, the question is, just what is the new 6335RC? Is it just an amalgamation of parts with a lot of hype or a truly new and impressive Yamaha trumpet? _________________ agroovin48
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JVL Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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hello
if they said the new one is improved, i think you can reasonablely trust them, like it's been with the new 8310Z which i play and amazes me everyday, as much as a lot of people around me.
unfortunately i forgot to compare Andrea Tofanelli's RC to my 8310Z when we had the great pleasure to accompany him, but i'll do it next time
best |
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michael_bxl Regular Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2015 Posts: 93 Location: Between Brussels and Ankara
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:21 am Post subject: |
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I've newly bought it, and I wish I had seen this link before. Most of the part are from students models... I don't really know what to think |
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Yamaha uses a lot of small parts for heaps on trumpets and cornets. The most important parts: valve casing, bell and leadpipe seem to be exclusiv 6336RC. The valves and valves slides seem to be student line. BTW the valves of the 2330 are excellent. I am not so sure about the 2330 valve slides, found that type a little bit clunky on my 2310 cornet but maybe times have changed.
I have my doubts about the bell, could be a (modified?) 4335/5335 bell. But maybe it's a complete new bell.
It seems that to keep the price low they used cheap but trusty parts of a student horn and found the upgrade in bell (?), casing and leadpipe + some details. |
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Gonzalez Veteran Member
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:59 am Post subject: |
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My guess is that the designers found a way to combine existing parts with new parts to build a good 6000-level instrument that could be sold at a more competitive price.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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hose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:52 am Post subject: |
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From the variety of models detailed in this thread it seems the Japanese market different models all over the world much like they do automobiles. _________________ Dave Wisner
Picketts
Yamaha 6335RC
Yamaha 8335RS
Lawler Flugel
Kanstul cornet |
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