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Anonytrumpet New Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:36 am Post subject: Influential trumpeters |
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I’m curious to hear fellow TH’s members’ thoughts on who the most influential trumpet players throughout history are and why you consider them to be so influential. Not simply brilliant players - players who redefined trumpet playing either through their playing, pedagogical insight, commissioning, etc...
Any period, any style: folks who changed the course of our art form. I’m thinking like Paganini on violin, Liszt on piano, Charlie Parker on sax, etc.... |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Maurice Andre, who was one of the first to initiate the trumpet as a solo instrument.
Doc, who through his personality and virtuosity on the Tonight Show showed millions what the trumpet could do. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Well, obviously, Bix Beiderbecke for his lyricism and harmonic sophistication.
Lee Morgan for his melodicism, rhythm and power. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Maurice André, of course. Louis Armstrong, also of course. Hard to imagine how the trumpet (well, the music) world would look like today w/o these two geniuses. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:16 am Post subject: |
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The first proto-human that picked up an animal horn with the tip broken off and blew on it, the first courtesan in an ancient empire to realize a trumpet call would quiet the room when the king walked in, and Oliver Wilcox Norton.
Of course none of them had valves. . . . _________________ Ron Berndt
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Louis Armstrong and Rafael Mendez. Louis redefined trumpet as a jazz instrument. Rafael redefined trumpet as a classical soloist/technical player.
Herbert L. Clarke didn't play trumpet but he was an enormously influential cornet player, in the same "influential" league as Louis and Rafael. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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Didymus Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:11 pm Post subject: Trace Jazz Through The Trumpet |
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One can almost trace the history of jazz through the genre's most influential trumpet players:
Buddy Bolden..... Dixieland (hot)
Louis Armstrong ..... Dixieland, New Orleans, then Chicago
Bix Beiderbeck..... Dixieland (cool)
Cootie Williams..... Swing
Harry James..... Swing, Easy or "pop"
Roy Eldridge..... Chicago, Swing, Early Bop
Dizzy Gillespie..... Bebop
Chet Baker..... Cool
Shorty Rodgers..... West Coast
Clifford Brown..... Hard-Bop
Freddie Hubbard..... Post-Bop
Lee Morgan..... Soul-Jazz
Don Cherry..... Free Jazz
Chuck Mangione..... Fusion
Woody Shaw..... Modern
Arturo Sandoval..... Latin (Cu-Bop)
Chris Botti..... Smooth
Wynton Marsalis..... Neo-Bop
Roy Hargrove..... M-Base
And then there is one name that deserves a special mention because he would be repeated in multiple sub-genres (Bebop, Cool, Hard-Bop, Fusion) through nearly all of the post-war jazz styles: Miles Davis. </mic drop>
Players we could label "classical" soloists span quite a few years:
Jean Baptiste Arban..... first to show what a cornet can do.
Alphonse Goeyens..... one of the first to play the Haydn on a modern high Eb instrument.
Herbert Clarke..... *the* greatest virtuoso-hero on the cornet.
Adolf Scherbaum..... piccolo trumpet pioneer.
Timofei Dokshitzer.... could play anything put in front of him.
Rafael Méndez..... practically invented the crossover genre.
Maurice André..... convinced the world that the trumpet was a serious solo instrument.
Maurice Murphy..... *the* most-heard movie soundtrack soloist.
Crispian Steele-Perkins..... historically informed performance demi-deity.
Other genres:
Waymon Reed..... Funk
Johnny Trudell..... Motown
Wayne Jackson..... R&B
Al Hirt..... Crossover (jazzy)
Chocolate Armenteros..... Salsa
Doc Severinsen..... Crossover (pop)
Herb Alpert..... Pop, Easy Listening, Dance
Lee Loughnane..... Rock
Roger Webster..... British Brass Band
Boban Marković..... Balkan Brass Band
And of course, do not forget Maynard Ferguson!
Not everyone on my list could be considered virtuosos with absolute mastery on the trumpet or cornet. In some cases, they pioneered a particular sound or stylistic approach on the instrument which established it as an important part of a particular genre. If I had to choose just 5 players who had it all, I would list: Louis Armstrong, Woody Shaw, Maurice André, Maynard Ferguson, and Chocolate Armenteros. _________________ Enjoy the journey.
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JoseLindE4 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Who's Rafael Hernández? |
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Dr. Manhattan Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:41 pm Post subject: Influential Trumpeters |
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What Didymus wrote:
"And then there is one name that deserves a special mention because he would be repeated in multiple sub-genres (Bebop, Cool, Hard-Bop, Fusion) through nearly all of the post-war jazz styles: Miles Davis. </mic drop>"
And how about Roy Hargrove?
Not only did he influence a lot of the younger trumpet players, Roy also spent a lot of time jamming into the early morning hours with all instrumentalists who wanted to learn the Great American Song book. _________________ Several Trumpets and Flugelhorns!
Trying to thin the small herd!! |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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On the early side I would add:
Gottfried Reiche -- one of Bach's trumpeters
Girolamo Fantini -- Author of Modo per Imparare a Sonare di Tromba _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
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Didymus Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:02 pm Post subject: Fixed it. |
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JoseLindE4 wrote: | Who's Rafael Hernández? |
Fixed it. _________________ Enjoy the journey. |
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trumpetpatrick Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Herseth?? The world of orchestral trumpet (and brass) playing would be significantly different without him |
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Gregory Gilmore Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:08 pm Post subject: Influential trumpet players |
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Harry Glantz established the American style of orchestral trumpet playing. |
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Louis and Miles did the whole job. Not by incident also the best theme players. |
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:02 pm Post subject: Influential trumpeters |
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So many wonderful choices and examples given here. I would add Bill Chase to fusion. He rocked it and I had a ticket to the concert in Jackson, MN. that never happened. Like a versatile instrument I like Wynton Marsalis as best all arounder. Also, Alison Balsom Tine Ting, and other females who are opening the field of brass up more all the time for new players. We are fortunate to have so many who we enjoy listening to and who have inspired us to be better ourselves. Have a good one, Brian _________________ "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality,
there is one that lives to lay waste to woodwinds and strings, leaving them lie blue and lifeless along a swath of destruction that is a
trumpeter's fury-then there is the dark side!" Irving Bush |
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solo soprano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: Influential trumpet players |
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Gregory Gilmore wrote: | Harry Glantz established the American style of orchestral trumpet playing. | Harry Glantz is considered by most musicians to be the foremost symphonic trumpeter America ever had.
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Jean-Baptiste Arban - who perhaps started it all. He wanted to prove to the world that the cornet could be just as beautiful a solo instrument as the piano, violin and flute and he did just that.
Louis Armstrong - the first and greatest soloist and improviser in jazz.
And Herbert L. Clarke - IMO - The greatest player of all time. Of course his style of music is old fashioned by today's standards but for sheer beauty of tone, power, control, technic I believe he is just about unsurpassed even today. _________________ Bill Knevitt, who taught me the seven basic physical elements and the ten principles of physical trumpet playing and how to develop them.
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bunny Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:07 am Post subject: |
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The nineteenth century is truly the century of the cornet. Between Arban and Clarke there were many great soloists who popularized the cornet as a virtuoso instrument. Names such as Kryl, Liberati, etc. And not to forget the "world's greatest cornetist" Jules Levy. Unfortunately did not record in his prime, but a figure of world-wide fame in his day.
The importance of Louis Armstrong switching from cornet to trumpet had implications beyond the jazz/pop world I think. |
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Anton Weidinger, Austrian virtuoso. The Haydn and Hummel Concertos were written for him. |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:51 am Post subject: |
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bunny wrote: | The importance of Louis Armstrong switching from cornet to trumpet had implications beyond the jazz/pop world I think. |
I would agree. Which brings up the point that some of those very influential on the art, may not have even been players - in this case Harry Jay, whose Columbia cornet-trumpet was the vehicle that facilitated Armstrong's switch. (and embodied the transition in pop music's lead voice from one to the other) _________________ Ron Berndt
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:15 am Post subject: |
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From a completely different perspective: how about Vinzenz Schrottenbach aka Vincent Bach? _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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