Bach 3rd valve trigger

dcjway · Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:34 pm Post subject: Bach 3rd valve trigger

Hi,
Was just wondering if anyone knows when Bach started offering a 3rd valve trigger from the factory? I have a ‘71 Vindabona with 1st and 3rd valve triggers that was re plated sometime in its history wanted to figure out if triggers are factory. I called Conn-Selmer and I was told they deal in new instruments and could not help me.
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OldSchoolEuph · Heavyweight Member Joined: 07 Apr 2012 Posts: 2440

The last person who knew retired a few months ago.

I have seen 60s horns where they were original, not sure how far back the third triggers go. (First triggers go way back) Until recently, the OEM third trigger assembly was available through allied, so it is impossible to know for certain if the horn was first built with it unless the serial is under 30-some thousand (shop card).
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Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

Those third triggers look like they were sourced from Olds.

popfly38 · New Member Joined: 14 Feb 2019 Posts: 5 Location: Maryland

That's interesting because I was just wondering about that. I have a 1971 Model 37 with first and third slide triggers. I don't think it's been refinished and the trigger looks original. The third slide also has a water key and no stop. I just sent a note to Conn-Selmer a week ago asking if that was an option back then as I have never seen a Strad configured like this. Their answer was a very ambiguous, "Bach does have some models that were produced with a third slide trigger". I also have a 1953 Olds Recording and the mechanism is very similar if not identical.

LittleRusty · Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:31 pm Post subject:

nieuwguyski · Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:10 am Post subject:

My recollection is that Bach started offering the third-slide trigger in the '60s, responding to the favorable response to the trigger on the Olds Recording. Now, did Bach essentially copy the Olds trigger?

Some years ago I bought a well-used Olds Recording trumpet. It was a player, not a looker, and one of the previous owners had had the trigger mechanism removed pretty much completely -- the only piece left was the chunky brace between the third-slide tubes with a threaded hole in it. When I bought the horn there was an Ambassador adjustable third-slide ring in the lyre mount on the Recording, which worked. When I asked a pretty good repair shop about installing an original trigger I was told that Allied no longer had the parts but that the Bach mechanism was essentially a copy of the Olds trigger, except it was made from brass instead of nickel silver. I had them install the Bach trigger and it worked perfectly.

A few years ago it was brought to my attention that someone was selling OEM Olds Recording trigger assemblies online -- every piece except the mount for the trigger itself and the chunky slide brace which my horn already had. I bought the trigger assembly, figuring I could have some expert repair tech install an original trigger mount... or have one made from scratch. When I received the original trigger components, just for the heck of it I tried installing them on the Bach trigger mount and everything fit perfectly, including the original Olds screw that threaded into the trigger mount.
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