G trumpets: Scherzer 8113 vs Schilke G1L-4

[jkarnes0661]

Has anyone out there owned both a Scherzer 8113 and a Schilke G1L-4 or had a chance to compare the two?

More detail on why I'm asking the question if you are interested:

I've been looking at getting a G trumpet, primarily for baroque literature in C but also to have a larger sound on pieces where I would consider using a piccolo for security.

My piccolo is a Scherzer 8111 and I feel like it has a warmer, larger sound than my old Yamaha 9830 it replaced. From the reading I've done it seems like the G1L-4 is known for having a pretty big sound for its size as well, no doubt in part due to the relatively large bell. The Scherzer seems to have a bell closer to the size of it's 8111 cousin.

Pardon the generalized adjectives (large, big, etc) but hopefully it's clear what I'm going for there.

There's a significant price difference (Scherzer is about ~$2K more and there are used Schilkes available that widen that gap even more) so though I've been holding out to find a Scherzer, I'm starting to second guess which would be a better fit for me.

Any feedback is welcome, thanks!
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Jonathan Karnes
Grand Rapids, MI
jonathankarnes.com

[Andy Del]

I own and use both.

Scherzer: it’s a very flexible, in tune and easy to play instrument. The 3 lead pipes move it from just a little broader than a Bb/A Scherzer, through to very thick and heavy for a picc.

Schilke. It’s just a heavy thick sounding instrument, but there is a razz in the sound the Scherzer doesn’t have. As I use a short shank mpc, it’s a bit of a gamble to use, in case things are at 440 or lower... apart from that, it is a terrific horn to play.

You can’t go wrong with either, but the Scherzer is more flexible sound wise.

Cheers

Andy
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[jkarnes0661]

Much appreciated Andy, thanks!

-Jonathan
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Jonathan Karnes
Grand Rapids, MI
jonathankarnes.com

[CRoberts8]

Andy,

Were you using the “stock” #5 bell? Have you tried the #8 bell (P5-4) taper on the G1L-4? I’ve only had the chance to try those two options on a G1L vs. the Scherzer G.

Jonathan,

If it’s worth it to you, the G1L-4 can become an F, or E trumpet, with I think 2 bell options available for each, #5 and #4 in F, and #4 and #2 in E. If potentially having additional keys is valuable to you, it’s something to note on the Schilke. The changes between bell flares can make the whole instrument play like something brand new.
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Charles Russell Roberts
Trumpet, Gaudete Brass Quintet
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[benlewis]

I'd like to add an alternative idea. I have owned 3 different Schilkes, although I have not played the Scherzer G (but I did own a piccolo.) I have a Blackburn A/G and find it superior to the Schilkes I had. It is very easy to play and has a big sound. It comes with 2 bells. It worked great on the piccolo fanfares in Cats; switching quickly from Bb was much easier.

HTH

Ben

[jkarnes0661]

Thanks all for your replies, very helpful! Ben, that's a great thought on the Blackburn. I'll have to add that to my searches, I forgot that he makes that A/G trumpet.

Cheers,

-Jon
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Jonathan Karnes
Grand Rapids, MI
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