Jet Tone MF

dmh737 · Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:03 am Post subject: Jet Tone MF

Back in the late 80's early 90's I played on a Jet Tone MF trumpet mouthpiece. I can't tell you if it was a MF I, II or III. I don't know if they even had numbers back then. All I know is that it was a convex rim/cup/throat. It played great on my Benge 6XM (CG). I sold the horn and piece years ago. I'm looking for that MP again.

Where can I buy one of these?

Thanks,

Dave
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cheiden · Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:42 am Post subject:

I'm pretty sure it was the JetTone MF2 that was a smooth transition from the rim to the throat. The others had small but distinct cups before funneling into the throat. I played that exact piece in HS back in the late 70's with limited success but it completely jacked up my development. I still have the piece, that I'll never ever play again, but I'm loathe to part with it for sentimental reasons.
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dmh737 · Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:58 am Post subject:

I actually had alot of success with it. I acclimated to it and it worked great for me, even in the lower register. I understand your hoarding issues.

If you get counseling and decide to part with it send me a PM.

I actually didn't know that Jet tone went out of business until recently. I was hoping someone knew of a company that still had stock or someone had one collecting dust.

It looks like I can buy the top from Kanstul. I'm searching for a BB now.
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jiarby · Heavyweight Member Joined: 08 Jul 2011 Posts: 1188

I just sold mine on eBay a couple months ago... went for $70 or so. They come up there pretty often. Mine was just stamped "MF"

md-jones · Veteran Member Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 298

yes, Jet Tone is long gone, but you have options.
they do come up on ebay, but those originals can get pricey.
there are several other brands that make clone versions, but not all of them advertise it.
if you have the money, there is the MF3 by Monette (not the MF2)
I have the Kanstul MF3, which is around $125
for the "secret" versions, ask Mark Curry, or Steve Patrick at Patrick mouthpieces.
Greg Black makes a version called the NY4 (or NY3, or something like that.) its on their website.

B. Scriver · Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject:

Check these out:

http://grmouthpieces.com/groovinhigh.htm

Brian Scriver
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dmh737 · Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject:

Sorry, Brian. I'd have a hard time putting a $200 mouthpiece on a $100 trumpet. However I think that GR are the best out there. BK (before kids) I played a GR 65SZ on my Getzen Rennaissance 20S. What a combination!!!

I was just curious about the MF. I wonder if I could play on it now as well as I did back then.

Dave
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GiveItOne · Veteran Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 100

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cheiden · Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:47 pm Post subject:

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Here you go. MF 3 on the left, MF 2 in the middle and MF on the right. The cup shapes are identical. (sorry that the bight sun this morning made them look speckled)

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GiveItOne · Veteran Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 100

Pops · Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject:

Here is a chart from Kanstul that says you are incorrect about the rims.

There were custom MF pieces and MF pieces and Vintage MF pieces.

All were sized and shaped differently. Look at the Kanstul mouthpiece comparison graph.

http://kanstul.com/mpcJN/Compare/CompareJRFF1.html

Look at the custom MF and the custom MF 2 they have different rim contours, one has a straight shoulder slope into the cup from the rim and the other has NO shoulder it is a curve.

By definition the section where the straight drop from the rim into the piece would be called a cup even though it is NOT bowl shaped. The bowl shape is only 1 of the available cup shape.

Thanks for the info on the diameter/throat sizes. I will change that asap.
Have a great weekend.
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GiveItOne · Veteran Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 100

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Here are some hastily taken closeups of some of the MFs by Jet Tone.

Jet Tone MF (Early Ratzenberger)

Jet Tone Custom Model MF 3 (Ratzenberger)

Jet Tone MF reproduction

Jet Tone Custom Model MF 2 (Ratzenberger)

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GiveItOne · Veteran Member Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 100

Here is the Vintage MF (reproduction)

Sorry that I don't have a photo of a Custom Model MF, it lives in a safe deposit box along with my other ones. I only keep a few handy. The Custom MF and the MF (Ratzenbergers) are identical though.

Jiarby has a good closeup photo of one posted early in this thread. That covers them all. You can see that they are all rounded right to the rim.
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deleted_user_fdb91a0 · New Member Joined: 03 Apr 1996 Posts: 0

Jet-Tone made an MF2A, as well as an MF-B. I know this because I've played on both. These were narrow with deep V-cups, but there was a distinct inner edge and rim. So yes, there were MF models made other than just the MF1, MF2, and MF3. The ones that the Boss himself played were the no-bite, V-cup models. I'm assuming Jet-Tone made the MF2A and the MF-B for those players who wanted the V-cup but couldn't handle the absence of a rim.

For what it's worth, my custom lead mouthpiece is almost identical to the Jet-Tone MF1, just narrower and roughly half as deep.

Here's the CNC scan of both my custom pieces. The "shallow" contour is the mouthpiece pictured above.

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deleted_user_fdb91a0 · New Member Joined: 03 Apr 1996 Posts: 0

Yeah the MF2A and the MF-B are more like flugel mouthpieces than anything else. With a rim and bite applied to the design, it's pretty deep. Once you remove the rim and undercut, then the mouthpiece gets small pretty quickly!

My custom lead mouthpiece is extremely small. Measuring in a typical spot, the inner diameter is around .560, which when using their numbering system, I believe would make it a Warburton 14ESV-W, without a bite or undercut of course.

You can always order a copy from Kanstul. They charged me $80 for entire project, and it arrived exactly as I had designed it. Very high quality, and excellent customer service. I don't collect any money for sales of that mouthpiece, I just take the opportunity to throw them business whenever possible because of the great experiences I've had with them.