Effect of Changing Bore Sizes on Piccolo Trumpet

Shark01 · Veteran Member Joined: 10 Jun 2017 Posts: 283

So I've had a Getzen Eterna for the past 3-4 years, great starter Picc for the money. It is known to have one of the smallest bores (0.420). Thinking about upgrading to a Schilke P5-4 with a 0.454 bore (I think).

Can anyone comment on how my sound and especially range may change after the switch?

Thanks

Don Herman rev2 · Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:02 am Post subject:

It may feel a little freerer, but it's a picc, so it's not going to be like a larger horn. My range is the same on every horn I own; easier to play higher or lower on some, but top to bottom doesn't really change much.

The Schilke is 0.450" per their website.

Best thing to do is to try one and see.

Jim Donaldson (R.I.P.) has some good advice:
https://www.everythingtrumpet.com/gearhead/Piccolo_Trumpet_Guide.html
https://www.everythingtrumpet.com/schilke/B_flat_trumpets.html

HTH - Don
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Andy Del · Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:30 am Post subject:

Bore size is only 1 aspect of the instrument's design, so as a stand alone, it matters about zero. My Thein and Scherzer piccolos appear to have similar bore sizes and sound VERY different. A Kanstul I have has a huge .460 bore, but that does not define the instrument, rather the intonation, playability and tone colour it produces does.

Decide what you want to change and then go instrument hunting may be a better way to go about it.

cheers

Andy
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Shark01 · Veteran Member Joined: 10 Jun 2017 Posts: 283

Well has anyone made the switch I am contemplating between a Getzen to a Schilke?

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Steve Hollahan · Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:50 am Post subject: Piccolo bore size

Went from Selmer Elkhorn Piccolo .410 o Besson piccolo by Kabstul, bore size .460. I changed mouthpieces to cornet and it worked out great. Schilke piccs are real great too. When you get it try a smaller cup and backbore on your favorite mouthpiece.

Recommend Mel Broiles "Trumpet Baroque" book, PP press. You play on Bb, then picc. Helps you work into playing high on picc and not killing yourself.

Also, don't over do it, gradually add it to your normal routine. Then practice pieces for solo and orch. Great pieces for weddings in John Head's "the Joyous Wedding".
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Shark01 · Veteran Member Joined: 10 Jun 2017 Posts: 283

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What are you trying to improve on by changing from the Getzen?[/quote]

Basically, I'm expecting positive changes in all aspects going from a 1976 upper student level horn to a new modern pro level one.

Unfortunately, I don't live in a place with easy access to alot of things to try so will have to buy on reputation.

Andy Del · Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:54 pm Post subject:

So you are making a major purchase and it is well known that instruments vary, so you may end up with a fantastic horn, or a dog.

If at ALL possible, save some more, and make a trip to a place where you can try and then make a better decision. If you can afford the money, hire a professional to listen to you and assist as a second par of ears.

If you have the funds to make the purchase, take the time to make sure you are getting the best horn you can.

cheers

Andy
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cgaiii · Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:06 pm Post subject:

Yes. Bore alone is pretty meaningless, though in combination with other factors, I think it can make a horn blow a little freer. I am a fan of larger bore, free blowing horns, but large bore and free blowing are not necessarily synonymous.
My suggestion would be, like others, to try before you buy. Like you, I live in an area with little access to music stores (luckily I travel for work a bit).
Many people selling horns and shops will let you try a horn and send it back undamaged if you do not like it. You may have to pay and get a refund for some, but not all. I would look for those deals and get a horn to try and keep at it till you find what you want. Start with the Schilke if you like the Schilke sound. I know a lot dealers will let you try and return if you do not like an instrument.
I know it has been said that you really need months to know whether you like a horn or not, but I have also gotten ones that I loved when I tried them and still love. (My Schilke X3L is an example. It is still a joy to pick up and practice.) I think trials help a lot. I certainly have not been as successful buying without trying. You really have to know very specifically what you want or it is a crap shoot.
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Shark01 · Veteran Member Joined: 10 Jun 2017 Posts: 283

I ended up buying a Schilke P7-4, and the increase in bore size definately added to my range, increased total range by 1.5 steps, but more importantly made the upper notes clearer and more powerful. The squeeky F is now a real note, clear and full....yeah.

cgaiii · Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:22 pm Post subject:

Very nice. I think that is probably a great choice. Have often thought of getting one myself, but I do not play the picc enough to justify it.
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Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Picc: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Standard
Bass Trumpet: BAC Custom
Natural Tr: Custom Haas replica by Nikolai Mänttäri Morales