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[Seymor B Fudd]

I´ve posted a couple of times describing my difficulties combining lead trumpet with front row brassband cornet. Complicating also that I rehearse with the big band Wednesday, brass band Thursday.
Problem often that my lips started swelling during the brass band rehearsal - often towards the end of the first one hour and a half - after the break somewhat easier.
So I decided to conduct an experiment. Last week I brought mý cornet along to the big band rehearsal - in fact my spare cornet, a Yamaha 2330II since the 3850 was at the horn repair man´s. The Yamaha has in itself a smaller tonal spectrum, more bright. I used my cornet custom made mpc Schilke 14 3D3.
Guess what - I had no problems playing/enduring - cealing in the scores E - in fact I felt more comfortable.... Among the charts April in Paris - the original one including the solo and "one more once".
Then rehearsing with the brass band - still lipswelling! What to do - this week big band rehearsal I brought along my fantastic Yamaha 6335RC - but with the same mouthpiece, (trumpet version) Schilke 14 3D3. And the result was?
I could play as high and for as long I wanted - same nice feeling, in spite of this rather deep mouthpiece.
And what happened during the brass band rehearsal? Tendency to lip swelling but not as severe as before. Having used same mpc in both bands.
My own thinking circles around 1)different registers - in the big band mostly from C in the staff up to Eb E, D rather frequent - brass band from A below staff up to high C, G/A/B/C top of staff only now and then. 2)(Modern) Big band charts provide some rest - brass band charts do not...Yesterday we were only two guys(me 77, he 78..) front row playing heavy christmas carols, church music. I´ll test the 14 3D3 Monday in the swingband, few opportunities to rest in that type of music.
And the very nice feeling with this rather big/deep mouthpiece (for lead that is) - able to play as high, not getting tired at all!?!Bigger not to say greater sound than with my ordinary trumpet mouthpiece, the Schilke 14B. To be honest that mpc allows a more secure Eb/E. I know tighter mpc:s requires more skill. And I´m an amateur.
Might add that when I played soprano I had no problems switching from sop to trumpet. But then I was 20 years younger.

Anyhow:I´m very interested in ideas from you guys! So please! Christmas time and all...
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Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974)

[JVL]

hello Seymour
what mpc do you play usually for the big band ?
my guess is that like you say, these are two different jobs : in the brass band you have only few rests...
Plus, and this is my main guess, you perhaps allow too much lip protrusion in the cup.
i prefer to avoid it while playing in my deep mpcs (Bach A cup depth kind for my "classical" mpc, and deep V cup for the flug), and i play rather on resonance, which at the end help me to have a large resonant sound, while being able to switch easily to my lead mpc anytime.
best

[Seymor B Fudd]

[Seymor B Fudd]

[JVL]

hello Seymour,
happy to know you resolved these issues !
one point, for me, rather roll out type player, the not protruding lip technic has not as much to do with ri or ro, but with your coordination to keep a tonic embouchure with the elevators and depressors orb. muscles. Lynn Nicholson talks also about how a V cup don't let you protruding as much as a C cup.

As for resonance, playing pp or ppp with clean clear sound and controlled aperture (not pinched but open enough), allows me to play loud thanks more to the resonance acquired on the lips, than by forcing the blow.
sorry if the terms employed are not right, my english is poor...
best

[Seymor B Fudd]

[JVL]

great Seymor ! Enjoy !
gott kvöld (some of what i remember of icelandic

[Seymor B Fudd]