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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:43 am    Post subject: Charlier Etude 2 Reply with quote

So I’ve heard a couple of recordings of this and I’m not really sure which is right. Should this be played with rubato or without?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title is Du Style. Play it musically.

Seriously though, this etude is not about playing the tempo marking. I've never heard any professional or professor play it squarely.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Charlier Etude 2 Reply with quote

creed61101 wrote:
So I’ve heard a couple of recordings of this and I’m not really sure which is right. Should this be played with rubato or without?


Some of it, yes, i believe is meant to be rubato, e.g. the "sous forme e recit", "retenir peu a peu" and "ad lib." sections. The text gives a lot of information on where to be more metered and where it should be rubato.

Not sure everyone would agree, but my 2 cents is that it's kind of a vocalise, so it should be expressive and musical. Follow the directions on the page, but whatever you get out of it musically is good too. If you want to play it more rubato, go for it. Just make it musical.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broadly speaking, I think this is one of those études where you can (and in some places should) do a lot with it, as long as you sell it and make it sound great. It's hard to argue with things that sound beautiful, especially when they're unaccompanied, and clearly not primarily a technique exercise.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there may be utility in practicing playing it strictly in tempo some specifically to ensure that your rubato interpretation is based solely on artistry and not technical limitations.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray Crisara was adamant that it be without rubato but very musical and beautiful. Herseth played it rubato and very musically and beautifully. My advice is that it's an etude, so learn to play it musically and beautifully with and without rubato. You'll grow the most that way. If you ever perform it, play it such that the audience will be convinced that your way is best.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play it like Sinatra would sing it. A little behind, but always on time.

In other words, fit the rubato, where appropriate, into the framework of the tempo. That way, it doesn't drag.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my favorite Etudes. I actually heard a guy on NPR All Night Jazz play this like a jazz ballad. It was pretty impressive and refreshing to hear. Play it how you want other to hear it. Take some risks and see what you think. Best of luck
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dclarktrumpet wrote:
One of my favorite Etudes. I actually heard a guy on NPR All Night Jazz play this like a jazz ballad. It was pretty impressive and refreshing to hear. Play it how you want other to hear it. Take some risks and see what you think. Best of luck



That was on Marian McPartlandt's Piano Jazz with Warren Vache.

https://www.npr.org/2011/09/02/140148227/warren-vache-on-piano-jazz

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KRELL1960 wrote:
dclarktrumpet wrote:
One of my favorite Etudes. I actually heard a guy on NPR All Night Jazz play this like a jazz ballad. It was pretty impressive and refreshing to hear. Play it how you want other to hear it. Take some risks and see what you think. Best of luck



That was on Marian McPartlandt's Piano Jazz with Warren Vache.

https://www.npr.org/2011/09/02/140148227/warren-vache-on-piano-jazz

at about 8:30 minutes in.

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Forgot how great Marian McPartlandt was !!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KRELL1960 wrote:
dclarktrumpet wrote:
One of my favorite Etudes. I actually heard a guy on NPR All Night Jazz play this like a jazz ballad. It was pretty impressive and refreshing to hear. Play it how you want other to hear it. Take some risks and see what you think. Best of luck



That was on Marian McPartlandt's Piano Jazz with Warren Vache.

https://www.npr.org/2011/09/02/140148227/warren-vache-on-piano-jazz

regards,

tom


This was excellent, thank you for posting! Marvelous.
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