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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:48 am Post subject: Where do you draw the line? |
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There have been a lot of conversations on the differences between trumpets and cornets, and I recently saw a photo of Pop's first cornet. I also just bought a Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt model 4 trumpet which... straddles the line. Shepherd's crook, big bell flare (though not quite as extreme as the Wild Thing was). I can't wait to try some different mouthpiece options on it.
Anyway - where would you draw the line?
(This is more an artistic discussion than a technical one - throw in your educated opinion!) _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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JVL Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 894 Location: Nissa, France
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Cornet was considered as a soloist instrument, not as martial as the trumpet.
When I play cornet, i do it more delicately |
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harryjamesworstnightmare Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I always find it interesting when someone has a trumpet and wants a darker tone. More cornet like. So why not just use a cornet with the proper mouthpiece in the first place? _________________ Brian James
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King Super 20 Symphony
Bach Strad 43 Sterling Silver Plus
Getzen Proteus
Yamaha 6335HS
Olds Super
Olds Mendez
Getzen Custom 3850 Cornet
Conn 80A
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2015 Posts: 1466 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Where do you draw the line? |
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dershem wrote: | There have been a lot of conversations on the differences between trumpets and cornets, and I recently saw a photo of Pop's first cornet. I also just bought a Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt model 4 trumpet which... straddles the line. Shepherd's crook, big bell flare (though not quite as extreme as the Wild Thing was). I can't wait to try some different mouthpiece options on it.
Anyway - where would you draw the line?
(This is more an artistic discussion than a technical one - throw in your educated opinion!) |
For me it´s very simple....I bring the horn in question to the brass band rehearsal and before you know it the verdict is delivered....I´ve tried and I´ve failed. So much for that! Instant frowning.... No need to discuss things further. _________________ Cornets:
Getzen Custom Series Schilke 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974) |
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 1530 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:20 am Post subject: Where do you draw the line |
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Hello all,
Don't know what direction you want to take, but if you talking about literature, I would play the instrument that was meant to play the part. Older band tunes were written for both cornet and trumpet parts, with a delineation of sound differences that were well thought out. Early dixie/jazz was meant to be played with a cornet. The velvety sound of a cornet was thought to be the sound of the early solos with community bands. The dance bands and orchestras changed that over time with a more direct sound of a trumpet. Other than period correctness, one can get a beautiful, round sound out of a trumpet when they want, without having too much of a change in equipment. Mostly a matter of approach and concept. _________________ Christian K. Peters
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2893 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:25 am Post subject: |
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In the UK the brass band contest rules were that a cornet was pitched in Bb or Eb, had a cornet receiver and a rearward pulling tuning slide. There was no mention of bore profile or anything else.
This definition was scrapped in the late 80s when Boosey and Hawkes brought out a sovereign soprano cornet that had a front pull tuning slide.
I believe this definition came in in the early 70s to prevent the use of Schilke Eb trumpets for the soprano cornet part.
I once loaned a long model cornet to someone when his was in for repair and there was genuine fear the band would be disqualified if he used it in the contest (he didn't have to though as his came back in time). _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2412 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Where do you draw the line? |
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dershem wrote: | Anyway - where would you draw the line?
(This is more an artistic discussion than a technical one - throw in your educated opinion!) |
Great question. From an "artistic" point of view, I don't know where I'd draw the line, because the line has become increasing blurred. And as such, the sound we can get from either instruments has also become increasing blurred.
This is a trumpet forum, where political discussions are prohibited, because they are too controversial. Ironically, if this was a political forum, we'd be prohibited from talking about "trumpets vs cornets", because that topic is too controversial.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns.
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8911 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:20 am Post subject: |
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https://www.robbstewart.com/difference-between-trumpet-and-cornet _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
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dershem Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 1887 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Where do you draw the line? |
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TrumpetMD wrote: | dershem wrote: | Anyway - where would you draw the line?
(This is more an artistic discussion than a technical one - throw in your educated opinion!) |
Great question. From an "artistic" point of view, I don't know where I'd draw the line, because the line has become increasing blurred. And as such, the sound we can get from either instruments has also become increasing blurred.
This is a trumpet forum, where political discussions are prohibited, because they are too controversial. Ironically, if this was a political forum, we'd be prohibited from talking about "trumpets vs cornets", because that topic is too controversial.
Mike |
Finally - someone who isn't effectively saying "I'm a purist - do what i demand!"
I have a bunch of horns, including a couple of cornets (a long model and a short) and several flugels and trumpets with different bell flares. And, as you said, some horns blur the lines. It is not black and white by any means, and I'm gonna enjoy exploring the possibilities. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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epoustoufle Veteran Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2015 Posts: 232 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Where do you draw the line? |
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dershem wrote: | Finally - someone who isn't effectively saying "I'm a purist - do what i demand!"I have a bunch of horns, including a couple of cornets (a long model and a short) and several flugels and trumpets with different bell flares. And, as you said, some horns blur the lines. It is not black and white by any means, and I'm gonna enjoy exploring the possibilities. |
You go, girl! |
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