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DNMH Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:03 pm Post subject: Getzen Eterna Cornets |
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In my search for the perfect Eterna, I find some I buy are quite leaden or dead in timbre while others sizzle.
Do the newer horns sizzle more?
I always use the same mouthpiece for these tests.
Appreciate any help here. |
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Winghorn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 2164 Location: Olympia, Washington
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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I personally don't think cornets are meant to sizzle. My Eterna cornet sounds nothing like a trumpet, but rather has an old-fashioned, mellow cornet sound. But it is interesting that you have found such timbre variations in the examples you have tried. Mine have all sounded about the same.
Sorry, but I have not tried the newer Eterna models.
Good luck with your search!
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jul 2017 Posts: 705
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:23 pm Post subject: Getzen Eterna Cornets |
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Although it has been years ago, I had extensive experience with a Getzen Eterna and never thought it, or any of the Eternas I had a chance to play in the future sounded bright, so to speak. About the only observation I made was my college teacher had the school buy a Schilke mpc. for me to use with Symphonic band and that was a wonderful piece. I love the Eterna cornet. _________________ "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality,
there is one that lives to lay waste to woodwinds and strings, leaving them lie blue and lifeless along a swath of destruction that is a
trumpeter's fury-then there is the dark side!" Irving Bush |
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2015 Posts: 1472 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Getzen Eterna Cornets |
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blbaumgarn wrote: | Although it has been years ago, I had extensive experience with a Getzen Eterna and never thought it, or any of the Eternas I had a chance to play in the future sounded bright, so to speak. About the only observation I made was my college teacher had the school buy a Schilke mpc. for me to use with Symphonic band and that was a wonderful piece. I love the Eterna cornet. |
Same here. Played an Eterna 1969-2015 and never even thought of brightness (of the cornet...). However when I switched to a Getzen 3850/Custom I found the latter to be "darker", having a trifle more core. During 25 years I played on a Bach (/1970) 1 1/4 C. Now Wick Ultra/Schilke 3D3.
Further more I used it in my brassband. We were lucky enough to have the greatest UK bandsmen conducting us, at many occasions (Mortimer/Ball/Brand and many more and they never complained. (I play front row).
To this I could add that the Eterna was a very easy-playing horn, more so than the Custom. Getting older by the day I ponder - should I return to an Eterna?
By the way my Eternas were always marked Large Bore _________________ Cornets: mp 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974)
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:43 am Post subject: |
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What mouthpiece are you using?
Eterna's are great in that they play well with anything and can give you anything from a BBB section tone to something much brighter with the right mouthpiece and attitude.
There's a lot of them around and some are rather old by now - a few minor knocks or less than perfect repairs could easily spoil the resonance regardless of what kind of tone you're after. |
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DNMH Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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TKSop wrote: | What mouthpiece are you using?
Bach 1 1/2C
Eterna's are great in that they play well with anything and can give you anything from a BBB section tone to something much brighter with the right mouthpiece and attitude.
There's a lot of them around and some are rather old by now - a few minor knocks or less than perfect repairs could easily spoil the resonance regardless of what kind of tone you're after. |
Can anyone make a comparison between a new Eterna and a 1960s Eterna?
I think the newer are more trumpet-like but I have done only limited testing. |
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sunlight1952 New Member
Joined: 31 Jan 2021 Posts: 1 Location: bethesda maryland
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:09 am Post subject: getzen eterna cornets |
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just wanted to say that my experience with the getzen cornets, as with my other favorite, the salvationist cornet, has been that neither ever sizzles. The only way i was ever able to accomplish some of that was with a schilke 14a4a mouthpiece steven |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:58 am Post subject: |
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DNMH wrote: | TKSop wrote: | What mouthpiece are you using?
Bach 1 1/2C
Eterna's are great in that they play well with anything and can give you anything from a BBB section tone to something much brighter with the right mouthpiece and attitude.
There's a lot of them around and some are rather old by now - a few minor knocks or less than perfect repairs could easily spoil the resonance regardless of what kind of tone you're after. |
Can anyone make a comparison between a new Eterna and a 1960s Eterna?
I think the newer are more trumpet-like but I have done only limited testing. |
Okay so a more trumpetty mouthpiece to begin with, so you should be able to a decent amount of brightness from a cornet if you push it.
As far as older Vs newer...
I can't say I've paid enough attention to say - by the theory that knocks and/or repairs could remove some resonance, one might reasonably expect older horns to be more likely to have been afflicted by them? Otherwise, no idea! |
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bencoul New Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:40 am Post subject: |
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The eterna has been manufactured for so long that I would expect subtle differences in cornets from different periods.
Also, I feel that in the brass band world, the days of smaller bored cornets with brighter tones are being left behind and most modern cornets aimed at brass banders tend to have a bigger bore and have a darker tone. _________________ Cornets:
1990's Yamaha Maestro
1971 Besson International
1903 Besson London Prototype
Trumpets:
1930's Besson Brevette
1963 Olds Special
Flugel:
circa 80's Getzen Eterna 895 |
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LarsHusum Regular Member
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 87 Location: Copenhagen
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:10 am Post subject: |
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DNMH wrote: | TKSop wrote: | What mouthpiece are you using?
Bach 1 1/2C
Eterna's are great in that they play well with anything and can give you anything from a BBB section tone to something much brighter with the right mouthpiece and attitude.
There's a lot of them around and some are rather old by now - a few minor knocks or less than perfect repairs could easily spoil the resonance regardless of what kind of tone you're after. |
Can anyone make a comparison between a new Eterna and a 1960s Eterna?
I think the newer are more trumpet-like but I have done only limited testing. |
I've noticed that the newer Eterna's have a gold brass leadpipe. Getzen's homepage confirms that as well. My Eterna from the sixties has a yellow brass leadpipe _________________ http://www.hornkapelle.dk |
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21trumpet Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Jan 2007 Posts: 310 Location: So. California
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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LarsHusum wrote: | DNMH wrote: | TKSop wrote: | What mouthpiece are you using?
Bach 1 1/2C
Eterna's are great in that they play well with anything and can give you anything from a BBB section tone to something much brighter with the right mouthpiece and attitude.
There's a lot of them around and some are rather old by now - a few minor knocks or less than perfect repairs could easily spoil the resonance regardless of what kind of tone you're after. |
Can anyone make a comparison between a new Eterna and a 1960s Eterna?
I think the newer are more trumpet-like but I have done only limited testing. |
I've noticed that the newer Eterna's have a gold brass leadpipe. Getzen's homepage confirms that as well. My Eterna from the sixties has a yellow brass leadpipe |
I have the newer Getzen Deluxe Cornet and it actually has a sterling silver leadpipe and the bell is rose brass. These cornets are great and play fantastic. _________________ Yamaha YTR-9335 NYS III
Bach Commercial - LT190SL1B
Yamaha YTR-9445 NYS-YS - C Trumpet
Wild Thing Flugelhorn - Copper - Raw
Yamaha YCR2330 Cornet
Yamaha Custom Piccolo
Monette B4S S2 Mouthpiece |
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Goby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Those new Getzen DLX Eterna horns look sooooo nice |
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AJCarter Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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a 1-1/2C will definitely garner more sizzle and brilliance. If you're after a more mellow sound, then play equipment that is conducive to that sound.
I have never been dissatisfied with how Eterna cornets play or sound. I have used Wick 2B and a custom Bach mouthpiece: 1X rim with an A underpart. _________________ (List horns here) |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 3832 Location: Greece
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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I use a eterna 850 LB with rose brass leadpipe and bell for my trad jazz gigs since 1999 and I use always a shallow cup mpc like Reeves 43WS or Purviance P9 and the sound is bright, not like a bright trumpet sound but definitely not dark , brilliant I guess is the best word , meaty but brilliant.
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
Selmer Paris 3 valve picc
Yamaha 731 flugel
Carol mini pocket
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LarsHusum Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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21trumpet wrote: | LarsHusum wrote: | DNMH wrote: | TKSop wrote: | What mouthpiece are you using?
Bach 1 1/2C
Eterna's are great in that they play well with anything and can give you anything from a BBB section tone to something much brighter with the right mouthpiece and attitude.
There's a lot of them around and some are rather old by now - a few minor knocks or less than perfect repairs could easily spoil the resonance regardless of what kind of tone you're after. |
Can anyone make a comparison between a new Eterna and a 1960s Eterna?
I think the newer are more trumpet-like but I have done only limited testing. |
I've noticed that the newer Eterna's have a gold brass leadpipe. Getzen's homepage confirms that as well. My Eterna from the sixties has a yellow brass leadpipe |
I have the newer Getzen Deluxe Cornet and it actually has a sterling silver leadpipe and the bell is rose brass. These cornets are great and play fantastic. |
I really want to try one of those new Eterna Deluxe cornets. _________________ http://www.hornkapelle.dk |
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