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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:28 am    Post subject: Zooming Together Reply with quote

Our 7-piece band is fooling around with Zoom as a way to jam during the Covid-19 emergency.

We're not making much music yet but having fun trying to set things up so we can.

Anyone got tips on how to maximize results? We have a variety of devices, both Apple and Android, as well as lighting environments. I think one guy must live under a bridge.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you actually tried this with success? Other platforms always had too much delay to play together. I experienced Zoom for the first time this week, but it was a meeting - voices - and that seemed to work OK.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had three guys in the meeting. No delay. Audio was decent. Going to try to get the rest involved this weekend. The price was right: Free.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. Many thanks.

Good luck, and let us know how it works.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly, I had a get together with 4 close friends this morning using Zoom audio and video. We have met most Friday mornings for more than a decade face to face in a local restaurant. With the current restrictions, we gave Zoom a try from our homes. It was study and conversation for about an hour with the interaction much like live with no apparent delays or freezes. Based on that one experience, I would think that it would work well for other applications. I would be most interested to see how your experience turns out!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zooming together sounds like a song title ...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still hoping that someone has tried a combo rehearsal with this.
I occasionally teach with Skype and while it works fine for that, there's too much delay to play duets, so that's out.

Has anybody put musicians and their instruments to the test using Zoom irl?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We plan to get our 7-piece trad group together on Zoom on Sunday 3/22/20. Will keep you posted.

Meantime, my wife had a TGIF party on Zoom last night with ten friends and said it was almost like their usual gathering without the travel.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been on several music related Zoom sessions. There was some delay. It was particularly apparent when someone was using a metronome. If you are all close and have good Internet connections, it might be better. All of my uses have had people on different continents, so there definitely is some delay.

Will be very curious about how this goes.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of getting people on different continents together to play...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph1GU1qQ1zQ
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timely article by Noa Kageyama:

https://bulletproofmusician.com/tim-topham-on-how-to-maximize-your-effectiveness-when-teaching-lessons-online/
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We tried Zooming some tunes with trumpet, cornet, soprano sax, guitar, tuba and there was too much lag. Plus the free version of Zoom cuts you off at 40 minutes.

All the players live in the Chicago area so I don't think distance was the problem. We were all using different devices with different ISPs so maybe that figures in.

We're going to explore other online possibilities because there's no telling how long we're all going to be cooped up.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some concertina people are trying this, couldn't get Zoom to work, and think they found software without a whole lot of latency:
https://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?/topic/22150-experimental-free-internet-jam-this-sunday/&do=findComment&comment=202761
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the information about jamkazam and soundjack. Very interesting stuff considering the latency in most other communications platforms more geared to meetings and visuals than music.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here another possibility; https://jammr.net/

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jammr looks interesting. Has anyone tried it? What about the plug-in mic recommendation on the jammr website.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does Jammr sync? There is a fundamental issue of the speed of computers and the speed of light which can't be overcome. If everyone is just playing to the metronome and not listening to the other players it could work. Another way that could work is if you are hearing the other players on the previous take when a new take is made. But I don't see any description of this on their website.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gonna give jamkazam a try.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
We tried Zooming some tunes with trumpet, cornet, soprano sax, guitar, tuba and there was too much lag.

I read a post that suggested some of the lag may be due to the app trying to compress and reduce noise. Supposedly there is a option to defeat these enhancements that may reduce the lag.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just downloaded JamKazam which looks promising altho you need an audio interface and a long ethernet cable. Just popped for those items on eBay for under $100. Looking forward to some worldwide jamming!
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