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CJceltics33
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Is the book "250 Jazz Patterns" a good way to learn/progress in improvisation?
Can you recommend other books?
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kehaulani
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Generic Title. Do you mean the Jerry Coker book?
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CJceltics33
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| It says it is by Evan Tate. |
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| CJceltics33 wrote: | | It says it is by Evan Tate. |
Looks fine to me.
I used the book "Patterns for Jazz" by Coker, but honestly, it probably doesn't matter all that much which you choose - Just pick a workbook that you will want to work out of every day and get after it.
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| Turkle wrote: | | I used the book "Patterns for Jazz" by Coker, but honestly, it probably doesn't matter all that much which you choose - Just pick a workbook that you will want to work out of every day and get after it. |
If I'm not mistaking, a goal that a lot of people are missing, is that it's a way of developing the coordination of your ear and horn. Some learn it as just a lexicon of licks to learn and then regurgitate.
So, no matter what book you take, remember that is the ear-horn coordination is the goal.
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HERMOKIWI
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| kehaulani wrote: | | Turkle wrote: | | I used the book "Patterns for Jazz" by Coker, but honestly, it probably doesn't matter all that much which you choose - Just pick a workbook that you will want to work out of every day and get after it. |
If I'm not mistaking, a goal that a lot of people are missing, is that it's a way of developing the coordination of your ear and horn. Some learn it as just a lexicon of licks to learn and then regurgitate.
So, no matter what book you take, remember that is the ear-horn coordination is the goal. |
Correct.
You don't become fluent in jazz improvisation by memorizing licks out of books. I know a lot of players who can play these licks..........until they're in the middle of an improvised solo. When they're playing an improvised solo they don't use the licks at all because they can't hear how and when the licks fit it. They never learned ear-horn coordination.
Being fluent in jazz improvisation depends on good ear-horn coordination.
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If you really want to do the pattern thing, then 'Patterns for Jazz' by Jerry Coker is the book to get. One of the great things about this book is that he'll start you out on a pattern, but only print the first couple (meaning the pattern over the first two chords), then just give you chord changes. This trains the brain to start hearing/playing the patterns without seeing them written out for you.
I personally think the pattern approach has limited value to someone who really wants to learn to improvise. I'd recommend doing things to extend one's capability to play melodies.
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