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william_p
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 Posted: Sun May 21, 2023 1:28 pm Post subject: Chinatown sound track |
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I re-watched that great noir movie, and for the first time in a long time stayed through the credits. What was the music behind the credits, and who was the trumpet (cornet?) solo? Whoever it was bent a note so beautifully I sat hypnotized, wishing I'd been able to do that.
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JonathanM
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I've real all this and I'm sure there are others that have more immediate knowledge, but here goes...
For years, Uan Rasey had played a kind of Frankenhorn Olds, I think Robb Stewart's site says. He didn't like the feel of the Recording balanced model, but it was a Recording bell on another Olds body. I thought this is what Uan Rasey used for Chinatown, but no; he used a King Silver Flair. There's several threads about lessons with Uan (and one incredible anecdote by Tim Wendt about one of his lessons with Uan), but apparently Uan was NOT an equipment snob. When Olds asked him to play their Recording, he apparently misunderstood and responded something like, 'Oh, yes; an Ambassador is a nice horn, that'll work for me...' He played that Chinatown solo, which is hauntingly beautiful, after a week vacation when he probably did not touch a horn. He came in expecting a full orchestral setup for the recording session - and found one chair set up - a chair for him alone. All things considered, I think it's one of the most treasured trumpet solo's around; certainly in the movie world.
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bach_again
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| JonathanM wrote: | I've real all this and I'm sure there are others that have more immediate knowledge, but here goes...
For years, Uan Rasey had played a kind of Frankenhorn Olds, I think Robb Stewart's site says. He didn't like the feel of the Recording balanced model, but it was a Recording bell on another Olds body. I thought this is what Uan Rasey used for Chinatown, but no; he used a King Silver Flair. There's several threads about lessons with Uan (and one incredible anecdote by Tim Wendt about one of his lessons with Uan), but apparently Uan was NOT an equipment snob. When Olds asked him to play their Recording, he apparently misunderstood and responded something like, 'Oh, yes; an Ambassador is a nice horn, that'll work for me...' He played that Chinatown solo, which is hauntingly beautiful, after a week vacation when he probably did not touch a horn. He came in expecting a full orchestral setup for the recording session - and found one chair set up - a chair for him alone. All things considered, I think it's one of the most treasured trumpet solo's around; certainly in the movie world. |
So far as I know he played a Silver Flair on this session, but I would love to be corrected.
Jerry Goldsmith also wrote this score in short order. Another genius, and a real treasure in the world of film scores.
Hope you are keeping well, Jonathan!
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| bach_again wrote: | | JonathanM wrote: | | For years, Uan Rasey had played a kind of Frankenhorn Olds, I think Robb Stewart's site says. He didn't like the feel of the Recording balanced model, but it was a Recording bell on another Olds body. I thought this is what Uan Rasey used for Chinatown, but no; he used a King Silver Flair. |
So far as I know he played a Silver Flair on this session, but I would love to be corrected. |
I could have sworn that I read somewhere that Mr. Rasey's Silver Flair was also a kind of Frankenhorn in that it used some components from the contemporaneous Golden Flair, so I did a Yahoo search and found pictures of his horn on Dr. Valve's Facebook page (he evidently did work on the horn at some point). Here is the link (you can actually flip through several different pictures of the horn from this page):
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1944139345847094&set=uan-rasey-king-silver-flair-we-built-a-second-slide-with-a-saddle-for-this-instr
If you study the pictures, you will see that Mr. Rasey's horn has the valve block (including top and bottom caps), reverse leadpipe/tuning slide setup, and slide saddle/ring (although Dr. Valve speaks of building a "second" first valve slide with a saddle) of the mid-70's Golden Flair, in place of the corresponding stock Silver Flair components.
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william_p
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JonathanM
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Am I mistaken, do I recall something about the trigger on the stock Silver Flair that he didn't like, or found difficult to use?
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| JonathanM wrote: | | Am I mistaken, do I recall something about the trigger on the stock Silver Flair that he didn't like, or found difficult to use? |
That could very well be, but it neither addresses nor contradicts the other observable differences in the pictures from Dr. Valve's Facebook page.
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Phillip Lambro wrote the original soundtrack that was rejected by Robert Evans. Jerry Goldsmith had ten days to write the soundtrack we know today that features Rasey.
I always wondered what Lambro’s soundtrack sounded like. His music was used in the original theatrical trailer for Chinatown. The original Lambro score was released in 2012 as “Los Angeles, 1937”. And it’s pretty good!!
https://youtu.be/AluXB_5IG8I
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| Los Angeles, 1937 - holy cow! |
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