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markp
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| giakara wrote: | https://youtu.be/rGoV0TZAt5s
Some high notes on cornet.
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I could have missed it completely, but have we determined what the OP thinks is high? What is possible for him/her? Whether an incredible pro like Gerard Swartz or anyone else with such chops can play G over High C is irrelevant if the OP is talking about G Above the Staff.
In that case, the focus of this thread and his practicing should be on building a good foundational base.
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Peter Roberts played a Bach 17C on his soprano.
No problems with high notes or any other notes.
But I can’t get a tone out of a 17C. Mouthpieces is an individual thing...
I think Bob Reeves makes some nice mouthpieces for “high” cornet playing.
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| lipshurt wrote: | giakara links to a video of rod mason effortlessly nailing big fat solid loud locked in high G's...a bunch of them, and somebody poo poos it saying they were high C's.
Big diff between High C and big High G's
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Haha, yes I missed that ones. I don't like especially this kind of music so I skipped the singing (?) and the trombone and maybe some trumpet. I agree, nice slurs up and great trills. BTW this all has nothing to do with the OP's question, it was a nice little joke of Giakara and he is right. There is a bunch of trad players who do everything to make a trumpet out of a cornet including the high notes. Often I wonder why. I remember a statement of Warren Vaché that he prefers the cornet because of the grip. All legitimate of course. |
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markp
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2020 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| delano wrote: | | lipshurt wrote: | giakara links to a video of rod mason effortlessly nailing big fat solid loud locked in high G's...a bunch of them, and somebody poo poos it saying they were high C's.
Big diff between High C and big High G's
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Haha, yes I missed that ones. I don't like especially this kind of music so I skipped the singing (?) and the trombone and maybe some trumpet. I agree, nice slurs up and great trills. BTW this all has nothing to do with the OP's question, it was a nice little joke of Giakara and he is right. There is a bunch of trad players who do everything to make a trumpet out of a cornet including the high notes. Often I wonder why. I remember a statement of Warren Vaché that he prefers the cornet because of the grip. All legitimate of course. |
I didn’t know that about Mr. Vache. I know I prefer my cornet lately because it just happens to be the best instrument I’ve ever owned. |
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| markp wrote: | | delano wrote: | | lipshurt wrote: | giakara links to a video of rod mason effortlessly nailing big fat solid loud locked in high G's...a bunch of them, and somebody poo poos it saying they were high C's.
Big diff between High C and big High G's
gotta love trumpet herald |
Haha, yes I missed that ones. I don't like especially this kind of music so I skipped the singing (?) and the trombone and maybe some trumpet. I agree, nice slurs up and great trills. BTW this all has nothing to do with the OP's question, it was a nice little joke of Giakara and he is right. There is a bunch of trad players who do everything to make a trumpet out of a cornet including the high notes. Often I wonder why. I remember a statement of Warren Vaché that he prefers the cornet because of the grip. All legitimate of course. |
I didn’t know that about Mr. Vache. I know I prefer my cornet lately because it just happens to be the best instrument I’ve ever owned. |
Mark, what cornet are you playing?
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| loweredsixth wrote: | | markp wrote: | | delano wrote: | | lipshurt wrote: | giakara links to a video of rod mason effortlessly nailing big fat solid loud locked in high G's...a bunch of them, and somebody poo poos it saying they were high C's.
Big diff between High C and big High G's
gotta love trumpet herald |
Haha, yes I missed that ones. I don't like especially this kind of music so I skipped the singing (?) and the trombone and maybe some trumpet. I agree, nice slurs up and great trills. BTW this all has nothing to do with the OP's question, it was a nice little joke of Giakara and he is right. There is a bunch of trad players who do everything to make a trumpet out of a cornet including the high notes. Often I wonder why. I remember a statement of Warren Vaché that he prefers the cornet because of the grip. All legitimate of course. |
I didn’t know that about Mr. Vache. I know I prefer my cornet lately because it just happens to be the best instrument I’ve ever owned. |
Mark, what cornet are you playing? |
This one!
https://www.getzen.com
The Horn Shop in Fresno had one of the very first! Not really that expensive. |
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| markp wrote: | I was surprised a while back to learn that the great Warren Vache uses a Wartburton 5S. He told me when I saw him at Smalls in NYC, a performance I’ll never forget!
He used to play one of the larger Warburton 5 cups, but found he could get the sound he wanted on the smaller cup, and saw no reason not to make things easier for himself.
I was using the large GR #6 cup, but found I could use the smaller #3 for the same reasons. I’ve been wanting to get GRs #1 or #2 to see if I could actually get lead trumpet sound on my cornet—a low priority. |
WARBURTON 4 and 5 rims are quite popular with the older players. found what they liked years ago and stayed with them. Warren is always entertaining whether you are watching him play or playing with him. jw |
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If he don't use a short shank deep V mpc is not a real cornet 
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Assuming the OP lives up to his moniker (1959 Olds Special) and based on my personal experience with the tri-metal Special cornets (my "go to" for casual performing throughout the mid '90's through about 2010, and it is still in my closet) it would be very frustrating to make it pretend to be a Besson Sovereign regardless what was plugged into the receiver.
I for one, while appreciating the artistry of traditional BBB music (I proudly hold the Eb chair in our admittedly UNtraditional brass band), also appreciate 125+ years of good old "American cornet tradition". If someone of majority age or sufficient experience wants to play his (or her) cornet with more authority than the boring "Flugel-ish BBB allows, I say let him. It is almost like we have a committee of "woke cornettists waiting to cancel any heretic to the BBB religion.
OK, having put the target on myself, I will support the idea that for a new-ish player, trying the old stand by "bent dime with a hole" cup mouthpiece is ill advised, and probably destructive to progress in development of good playing.
So, if you just GOTTA find some help in the upper range, but still make good sound, find an Olds 3C from the same era as your Special. They were somewhat inconsistent, but most had a wide, somewhat flat rim that gave support and cushioning for your chops.
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kehaulani
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Well, I don't know if we've established what kind of cornet sound and for what kind of music the OP is asking, so I'll just add that, first of all for now, forget about high register screeching and "high-note" mouthpieces. That's not the answer. But if you're looking for role models on cornet who put the high register to good use in non-BBB music, check out Nat Adderley.
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Try the Signature mouthpiece from Steve Dillard at HornTrader.com.
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It’s really all about technique, practice and breath support.
How high?
BBB cornet regularly plays the high C (C above the staff) if you’re in the front row.
High C should be comfortably obtained on any mouthpiece and that’s about as high as most will need to go
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I have a Schilke 14a4X - piccolo trumpet mouthpiece, cornet shank - that works nicely in my short model Connstellation and gives a trad jazz sound. Bach 1C works well enough for me in the range department, too. F or G over high C most days.
Jettone made some cornet mouthpieces that I have to imagine were pretty shallow cupped because, well, they're Jettones. I was close to scooping up a long model Connstellation that came with a Jettone Al Hirt mouthpiece once upon a time.
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Bb cornet: Wick 4 no letter
Eb cornet: Curry DC
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| Anyone ever try a Bach 3E or equivalent mp to the 3E on cornet? |
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