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olds1959special
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 9:44 pm    Post subject: Cornet third valve slide ring? Reply with quote

I brought my cornet to my tech and he asked if I need a ring for the third valve slide. Do I need this?
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For which model of cornet? Did it have a third slide ring that got broken off? Was it originally designed with a third slide with a ring?

Pictures would help.
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long ago some horns had some purely for holding that otherwise did nothing. If you’re comfortable without out it and it’s not OE then you don’t need it
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 6:23 am    Post subject: Lipping the note Reply with quote

Your cornet must be a pre - 1950s model
If you don't have a third slide ring, you will have to lip the note. It is not a hard repair. So the first slide is lacking a 1st slide ring too?
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP could be talking about an Olds Ambassador cornet missing its adjustable third-slide ring. We just don't know until he offers more information.
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a 1959 Olds Special L-5 large bore cornet - I'll post a picture when I get it back from the tech.
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 8:05 pm    Post subject: Fixed ring Reply with quote

Will you adding a 3rd slide adjustable ring or fixed ring?
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 8:12 pm    Post subject: Curious Reply with quote

I was looking online and saw a Olds Special cornet. It had a 1st slide saddle ring and a 3rd slide adjustable ring. Curious what type of ring you are having installed
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's an older cornet, they all came without them and the third valve slide is a little longer compared to modern horns to make up for the lack of being able to move it manually and adjust the pitch. If this is the case, it would probably be a bad idea to get one for moving it and the sole purpose would be just for holding modernly.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2020 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My strad 184 has a ring and I wish it didn't. It restrains the way you hold the horn. I may get it removed some day.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question that needs to be asked is, "does the cornet play the low D and C# in tune or noticeably sharp?" If the cornet plays in tune without the need to adjust the third slide you probably don't need the ring. If the horn is obviously sharp on those two notes, you do need to adjust with either the third valve slide (preferred) or first valve slide (optional).

I find it hard for me to use my cornet's third valve slide due to the angle of my wrist--works fine on a trumpet but not a short cornet. On cornet, I adjust with the first valve slide.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adc wrote:
My strad 184 has a ring and I wish it didn't. It restrains the way you hold the horn. I may get it removed some day.

FWIW I was unhappy the with the 1st saddle on my Strad trumpet and had it truncated and rotated so that it's more ergonomic for the thumb that's in it and and so that it's less inclined to pinch my other thumb.
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