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luckej
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 Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:27 pm Post subject: Early 1900s German horns? |
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Got a lead on a kuhlohorn (German round flugelhorn) and I've scoured the interwebs and this forum for information. There are still a few questions I can't seem to find answers for:
-What are the chances it's a low pitch A440 horn? I don't wanna tangle with re-tuning from A455 etc. According to Wikipedia, Germany has been using A440 since the 1800s--can anyone verify that?
-What are German-make rotary horns from the early 1900s like, in terms of build/quality/sound? Is it worth taking a chance on something I can't play before I buy? I realize that's a matter of opinion, but any feedback will be appreciated.
If you have experience playing a kuhlohorn, I would love to hear about it. I played through high school and some in college on a Bach TR200 and was never really happy with the sounds I could make with it. When I started playing again I got a cornet to be a little mellower. So far I like it, but it sounds like a flugelhorn may be even more in line with what I'm looking for, so I'm on the hunt. A new horn is not in reach so I'm trying to be creative without being desperate. =)
Thanks everybody!
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luckej
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Re: A440, I heard back from a music historian that Germany went to A440 around 1885. So that’s good news for all of us contemplating period German horns. 😝
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yourbrass
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If you buy an instrument that's 100+ years old, it will likely have stuck slides, leaky valves and a host of other problems. A low price may be negated by the cost of repairing problems.
You're better off buying something used of more recent vintage.
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stumac
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I have a Kulohorn, engraved F. Schediwy Ludwigsburg 1937 Pz Regt 2 Nr 6 in very good condition, paid US$350 for it several years ago on ebay.
Tone is between Cornet and Flugel, requires a German shank style mouthpiece to get best results, I have it more as a curio than a playing instrument.
Cheap Kulohorns on ebay usually require serious repair.
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rcox6918
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If you really want a decent kuhlohorn, get a Miraphone. I know someone selling their one (few years old) or any decent Bielefield or Dotzauer ones are good.
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luckej
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How about a used Dotzauer?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/lackiertes-Kuhlohorn-mit-Trigger/283929178437
The name looks machine-stamped, but it’s definitely not their current emblem. Any idea how old it might be? Or is there a Dotzauer besides Meister Dotzauer?
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