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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:27 pm    Post subject: Bought a used trumpet: I know nothing about it. Conn SS1 Reply with quote

Found this horn yesterday on the Facebook Marketplace. The guy only wanted $115 for it with the case, 3 mouthpieces and 4 or 5 mutes.

It's a Conn. On the bell it says:

C.G. Conn LTD
USA
SS1.

So I guess it's a Conn SS1, but it does not say Doc Severinsen anywhere on the trumpet.

The serial number is 303xxx which I believe dates it to 1983.

It needs some work. It's dirty on the inside and I haven't played it yet.

At some point it was dropped on the bell where it meets the 1st valve. The damage is minor, but still, it's a bit bent down there.

There's no serial numbers on the valves which is a bit odd I think. Maybe that's normal. There is only one water key. It's on the tuning slide. The 3rd valve slide ring isn't adjustable, which is what caught my eye in the first place.

The receipt from when the horn was purchased was inside the case believe it or not. It's a Sam Ash receipt from 1989. The details on the receipt about what type of horn it is has been destroyed by spilt valve oil. The price paid back then was $290 which seems kinda low for an SS1. Maybe not.

There's also a bit of original Conn paperwork inside the case. One is a description of the water key (Armado) and how to take care of it. The other is a slip of paper that says the name of the Conn employee who inspected the horn: Greg Estes.

All in all, it's in very good condition. The lacquer is really good with only a few spots that need to be polished up a bit.

Here's some photos. If anyone knows anything about this horn, please let me know. I don't think it's a Doc Sev SS1, but who knows. For the price I think it was a great deal.












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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was some talk about the SS1 here: https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1225852
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:47 pm    Post subject: Conn SS 1 Reply with quote

I believe your horn is indeed a Severinsen Conn but was made to the same design after Severinsen and Conn separated. That marriage was short lived and Conn continued that model for a while. By the way, Doc hated the Amado keys after using them for many years on his Getzen's.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Conn SS 1 Reply with quote

Tony Scodwell wrote:
I believe your horn is indeed a Severinsen Conn but was made to the same design after Severinsen and Conn separated. That marriage was short lived and Conn continued that model for a while. By the way, Doc hated the Amado keys after using them for many years on his Getzen's.

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Wow, I have something in common with Doc!😉

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seilogramp wrote:
There was some talk about the SS1 here: https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1225852


I saw that thread. Too bad he didn't put up any pics though.

Do you know what years the Doc SS1's made made? I thought I saw online it was between 1983 and 1985.

My serial number is 1983 I think. Which means Sam Ash sold the trumpet used.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just spent all afternoon cleaning up this horn and making it playable.

It plays very nice and open. It's loud and bright. I don't have to work quite as hard to get sound out of it as I do my Olds. And no, I did not magically gain an octave of range. It's the same as the Olds.

I'm really happy with it. It's beautiful and shines like a gem. One hell of a score for $115.

That being said, it needs a valve job. The 1st valve seems to be working perfect, but the 2nd is catching on something. I can feel it rubbing on something down there. I looked through the 2nd valve slide; it doesn't look quite right, so it needs to be serviced. The cork on the 3rd valve crumbled to pieces when I took it apart.

I don't know of anyone in Vegas who can do a bang up valve job on it. Maybe Kessler & Sons, but I'd be willing to ship it out somewhere to get it done right.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like it may just need a good professional cleaning and overhaul with some attention to the valves, perhaps a valve alignment which would come with new synthetic felts.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll take it down to Kessler on Wednesday and see what they can do.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumpetown wrote:
The 1st valve seems to be working perfect, but the 2nd is catching on something. I can feel it rubbing on something down there

Check for a tiny dent on the casing of the 2nd valve. I don't see any casing dents in the pictures though. Otherwise see if a small force one way or another on the second valve slide relieves the problem. If not, maybe the valve guide is not sliding smoothly in its groove.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a bit more info, check out this post:

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5586&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

I had an SS1 for a short period of time, which has a .459 ML bore, but found the blow to be very tight for me...most likely due to the leadpipe used on this model. I remember reading somewhere that Dave Monette designed the leadpipe for the SS1, but I can't find that post at the moment. As stated in the referenced posting, the SS1 was the model Doc played.

I picked up an SS4 several months ago, which has a .464 L bore, and personally like this horn a great deal more than the SS1. It has a much freer blow in both the upper and lower register for me, and does not play quite as bright as the SS1 did in my hands. It is really fun to play in Big Band.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregplo wrote:
For a bit more info, check out this post:

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5586&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

I had an SS1 for a short period of time, which has a .459 ML bore, but found the blow to be very tight for me...most likely due to the leadpipe used on this model. I remember reading somewhere that Dave Monette designed the leadpipe for the SS1, but I can't find that post at the moment. As stated in the referenced posting, the SS1 was the model Doc played.

I picked up an SS4 several months ago, which has a .464 L bore, and personally like this horn a great deal more than the SS1. It has a much freer blow in both the upper and lower register for me, and does not play quite as bright as the SS1 did in my hands. It is really fun to play in Big Band.

Check out ScottA’s post on page one of the post you linked to. He explains Monette designed the leadpipe.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trumpetown wrote:
The 1st valve seems to be working perfect, but the 2nd is catching on something. I can feel it rubbing on something down there

Check for a tiny dent on the casing of the 2nd valve. I don't see any casing dents in the pictures though. Otherwise see if a small force one way or another on the second valve slide relieves the problem. If not, maybe the valve guide is not sliding smoothly in its groove.


I took the valve out and cleaned the cylinder with some cheese cloth. Also cleaned the piston all over again and put it back together. Seemed to help a little bit, but things are a bit scratchy.

I gotta take it to someone.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've owned two Conn SS1s. If I recall correctly, the ones made during Conn's brief partnership with Doc Severinsen had a special serial number (4-digit?). I had one of those and thought that it was a nice horn. I played some concerts in the park with it one summer, and it was terrific for that purpose.

The other SS1 had a six digit serial number, and didn't play as well. Not a bad horn; just not the same. I wondered if it was truly the same trumpet -- just without the Severinsen name -- or if Conn started putting the leftover SS1 bells on other horns.

Enjoy your SS1!
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Dayton wrote:
I've owned two Conn SS1s. If I recall correctly, the ones made during Conn's brief partnership with Doc Severinsen had a special serial number (4-digit?). I had one of those and thought that it was a nice horn. I played some concerts in the park with it one summer, and it was terrific for that purpose.

The other SS1 had a six digit serial number, and didn't play as well. Not a bad horn; just not the same. I wondered if it was truly the same trumpet -- just without the Severinsen name -- or if Conn started putting the leftover SS1 bells on other horns.

Enjoy your SS1!


Did your SS1 have Docs name on it?
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Did your SS1 have Docs name on it?


If I recall correctly, the one with the four digit serial number had his name on the bell. The other one did not.
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Did your SS1 have Docs name on it?


If I recall correctly, the one with the four digit serial number had his name on the bell. The other one did not.


Interesting. Wish I could see a photo. I can't find one anywhere.
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A little bit of history from the Conn Loyalist:
https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnArt27-TRP.html

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnArticle27.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregplo wrote:
A little bit of history from the Conn Loyalist:
https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnArt27-TRP.html

https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnArticle27.html


Thanks for this. It looks like all SS1's were Severinsens.
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