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nickchan Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:16 am Post subject: |
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cheiden wrote: | I'm seeing that the Giardinelli 10S rim ID is around 0.630" versus the modern Bach 3C is 0.665". FWIW I find the stock Yamaha 4 rim feels fairly 3C-like so if you try any they will feel similar other than ID. The modern 3C feels in the range of the Yamaha 16C4. If that turns out to be comfortable but too big it would be easy to go with a 14C4 or 14B4 which could be a good compromise.
FWIW these are pretty specific recommendations based on my progression from pieces in the Schilke 6A4a range all the way up to a Bach 1.5C, which turned out to be too big and tanked my range in a way that wasn't coming back. A Yamaha size 14 rim gave me all the sound I wanted without being too big. |
Having previously had a philosophy of sticking with one mouthpiece, maybe the time is right to widen my view! I'll give the 3C as good a go as I can but then maybe refine if I need to, so thanks for your recommendations. _________________ Smith-Watkins Mike Lovatt
Yamaha 6310Z
Conn Vintage One flugel |
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nickchan Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:19 am Post subject: |
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plankowner110 wrote: | If the Bach 3C feels too large after playing it for a few weeks, try a Yamaha 14B4 or Schilke 14B. |
Thanks for this, these look like popular recommendations so I'll be sure to try them if I need to go further afield than the 3C! _________________ Smith-Watkins Mike Lovatt
Yamaha 6310Z
Conn Vintage One flugel |
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Ozzbo Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Some 25 yrs ago I did a jingle date with Lew Soloff for Hunts tomato paste.
Lew took out a pouch with like 20 different mouthpieces and tried each one out before choosing the "right" one for the session. He sounded incredible on each one and that was his 3rd session for the day so far...at only 11am !!!
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 843 Location: Waikiki, Hawaii
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Ozzbo wrote: | Some 25 yrs ago I did a jingle date with Lew Soloff for Hunts tomato paste.
Lew took out a pouch with like 20 different mouthpieces and tried each one out before choosing the "right" one for the session. He sounded incredible on each one and that was his 3rd session for the day so far...at only 11am !!!
Ozzy Cardona |
But tell us which one was the "right one"! ![](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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theslawdawg wrote: | But tell us which one was the "right one"! ![](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
Hehe, yeah do tell!
On a sidenote, is that avatar photo a picture of yourself theslawdawg? It's pretty epic! |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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hibidogrulez wrote: | theslawdawg wrote: | But tell us which one was the "right one"! ![](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
Hehe, yeah do tell!
On a sidenote, is that avatar photo a picture of yourself theslawdawg? It's pretty epic! |
It sure is, Bruddah! ![](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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Ozzbo Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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The "right one" that time was a Giardinelli screw rim I think maybe a custom piece. 3C size, opened throat, shallow cup.
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Ozzbo wrote: | The "right one" that time was a Giardinelli screw rim I think maybe a custom piece. 3C size, opened throat, shallow cup.
Ozzy Cardona |
Thanks, Ozzy ![](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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Filius Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Switching mouthpieces |
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"By the help of a pro (my first 18 lessons) I came back on track. Then I found the BE!
(Old folks on the TH now will emit deep sighs......roll their eyes......maybe start cursing)."
What's "the BE"? I feel like I'm missing something significant ... |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:39 am Post subject: Re: Switching mouthpieces |
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Filius wrote: | "By the help of a pro (my first 18 lessons) I came back on track. Then I found the BE!
(Old folks on the TH now will emit deep sighs......roll their eyes......maybe start cursing)."
What's "the BE"? I feel like I'm missing something significant ... |
BE = Balanced Embouchure
It's a method. Lots of info on the forum on it. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Switching mouthpieces |
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Filius wrote: | "By the help of a pro (my first 18 lessons) I came back on track. Then I found the BE! ... |
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If you really 'came back on track' then it's questionable whether you need to be concerned with Balanced Embouchure - because (as I understand it) its purpose is to GET people on track.
You probably developed your own 'embouchure technique' when you played earlier.
Are you still using that same technique?
Did it work well before and works well now - especially for playing higher than the G above the staff?
Do you get lip pain or injury from using too much mouthpiece pressure?
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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