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Jon_Manness
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:20 pm    Post subject: BE saving my chops during COVID-19 Reply with quote

Can't say I've been playing a ton due to COVID, but I feel pretty good with minimum maintenance doing BE exercises. For me, emphasizing the RI-side really keeps my naturally RO chops in check.

How is everyone else doing, chop-wise?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: BE saving my chops during COVID-19 Reply with quote

Jon_Manness wrote:
Can't say I've been playing a ton due to COVID, but I feel pretty good with minimum maintenance doing BE exercises. For me, emphasizing the RI-side really keeps my naturally RO chops in check.

How is everyone else doing, chop-wise?


I´ve posted elsewhere regarding "how to survive" - what kind of stuff I do - and here I will definitively side with you - the RI:s are simply fantastic when it comes to minimum maintenance; extremely lot of bangs for the buck. I´ve tried to spread this message, feeling like the shouting man in the desert. Mysterious, not to say eerie that so few realize the value. Instead buzzing in what not....
I always couple RO:s with the RI:s - a very special feeling when soft relaxed lips then are the basis for the RI:s!
What could be said here is that my lips seem to demand a good deal of warm up exercices prior to the BE - guess this is very personal and that everyone will have to find a regimen that fits. The Laurie Frink Integrated Warm Up fills that function for me.
Another discovery is that you could customize say Colin flexibilities by turning them upside down, sort of, begin 123 end 0 - thus making them progressive.
By the way - different schools here; prior to the BE I always played the way most books recommend (or provide), beginning 0 ending 123. I´ve found Jeff´s ideas much more natural - slowly expanding upwards. Makes sense!
Then you write "my naturally RO chops..." please elaborate!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: BE saving my chops during COVID-19 Reply with quote

What I mean by "naturally RO" is that I don't naturally roll-in my chops when I play. Pedals come easily, but lip trills were very hard before incorporating a RI setting. Normally RI #3 with some lip-trilling will be all I need to feel ready to play. If my sound isn't there, I might do some pedals or TOL exercises, but usually it's there.

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Jon_Manness wrote:
Can't say I've been playing a ton due to COVID, but I feel pretty good with minimum maintenance doing BE exercises. For me, emphasizing the RI-side really keeps my naturally RO chops in check.

How is everyone else doing, chop-wise?


I´ve posted elsewhere regarding "how to survive" - what kind of stuff I do - and here I will definitively side with you - the RI:s are simply fantastic when it comes to minimum maintenance; extremely lot of bangs for the buck. I´ve tried to spread this message, feeling like the shouting man in the desert. Mysterious, not to say eerie that so few realize the value. Instead buzzing in what not....
I always couple RO:s with the RI:s - a very special feeling when soft relaxed lips then are the basis for the RI:s!
What could be said here is that my lips seem to demand a good deal of warm up exercices prior to the BE - guess this is very personal and that everyone will have to find a regimen that fits. The Laurie Frink Integrated Warm Up fills that function for me.
Another discovery is that you could customize say Colin flexibilities by turning them upside down, sort of, begin 123 end 0 - thus making them progressive.
By the way - different schools here; prior to the BE I always played the way most books recommend (or provide), beginning 0 ending 123. I´ve found Jeff´s ideas much more natural - slowly expanding upwards. Makes sense!
Then you write "my naturally RO chops..." please elaborate!!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello BE Explorers

roll in roll out.. roll all about..!
I was not happy with my ALS 7 second to last.. B above the staff not sounding strident at all like the cd.
So my solution.. go to the normal RO setting.. do a few ROs THEN carry on the exercise but this time turn the TopLip into a roll in setting..and carry on doing your best shots at ROs. Noise sounds dreadful.. but that for me is good news.. spells lips out the comfort zone..(you can then play around with the top lip in the RO exercise.. rolling it out and then back in..) I then went back to ALS 7 and that B bangs itself out! Of course this is NOT part of the BE blueprint but if it helps anybody get closer to the cd...

how to survive covid energy

I liked this post from Ko - made me stop thinking about "tired lips"

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Now another thing he (Ko's teacher) told me frequently, was that ideally, you wouldn't play on strength, power, but you would learn how to play on energy. But this would only happen if everything with the lips would fall into place. He told me that in the orchestra they sometimes had really heavy duty stuff to play and the rehearsals were very demanding for the brass section. Everyone would start out fresh and be crushed by the end. What struck him was that for him it worked exactly the other way around. By the time they had ended the rehearsal, he would be up for another round! He said that the other players were trying to save their strength, but he on the contrary made sure he lost his 'strength' as soon as possible, because he knew that then his lips would become much more free to move on their own and he would be able to play anything he liked, using just 'energy' to move his lips around. KO




cheers for now Steve in Helsinki
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve0930 wrote:
Hello BE Explorers

roll in roll out.. roll all about..!
I was not happy with my ALS 7 second to last.. B above the staff not sounding strident at all like the cd.
So my solution.. go to the normal RO setting.. do a few ROs THEN carry on the exercise but this time turn the TopLip into a roll in setting..and carry on doing your best shots at ROs. Noise sounds dreadful.. but that for me is good news.. spells lips out the comfort zone..(you can then play around with the top lip in the RO exercise.. rolling it out and then back in..) I then went back to ALS 7 and that B bangs itself out! Of course this is NOT part of the BE blueprint but if it helps anybody get closer to the cd...

how to survive covid energy

I liked this post from Ko - made me stop thinking about "tired lips"

Quote:
Now another thing he (Ko's teacher) told me frequently, was that ideally, you wouldn't play on strength, power, but you would learn how to play on energy. But this would only happen if everything with the lips would fall into place. He told me that in the orchestra they sometimes had really heavy duty stuff to play and the rehearsals were very demanding for the brass section. Everyone would start out fresh and be crushed by the end. What struck him was that for him it worked exactly the other way around. By the time they had ended the rehearsal, he would be up for another round! He said that the other players were trying to save their strength, but he on the contrary made sure he lost his 'strength' as soon as possible, because he knew that then his lips would become much more free to move on their own and he would be able to play anything he liked, using just 'energy' to move his lips around. KO


cheers for now Steve in Helsinki


BTW I can tell the same story ........even if my chops can have a short "down period" - at the end of the gig/rehearsal/ they feel even better!!!
Never thought that this would be possible. But you gotta practice diligently!
John M! I understand - I seem to start rolling in around G top of staff, goes rather smoothly these days.
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