Different Mpc for Different Horn

[jhatpro]

Wondering how many players use different mouthpieces for different horns and why.
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2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

[Yamahaguy]

Absolutely believe in the "right tool for the job" philosophy...all my custom
Greg Black rims match exactly, but the cups and backbores change depending
on the gig (remember those?).

I also use different trumpets as well, I just haven't found that one that can do
it all...and the pieces I use also perfectly fit their leadpipes/gaps.

For example, my Bach works well with a C cup and 6 backbore...Benge modified
V cup and Giardinelli backbore...and of course, the Yamaha ( ) M cup with a
5 bb. Still having fun experimenting with my new Del Quadro and Olds Super!

[jhatpro]

Thanks! Your experience confirms what I’m learning and trying to sort out.
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Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

[jondrowjf@gmail.com]

Jhatpro,
I own two horns, Getzen Canadian Brass trumpet and Getzen 800 Eterna cornet. On trumpet, use a Canadian Brass megatone clone mouthpiece, Bach megatone 5 B mouthpieces. On the cornet I use Bach megatone 5 B and Bach 6 C longshank mouthpiece.
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King 603 cornet
Yamaha 2330 cornet
Denis Wick 4 W classic gold cornet mouthpiece
Yamaha 11 e4 cornet mouthpiece
Yamaha 9e cornet mouthpiece
Bach 5 B cornet mouthpiece

[nltrumpet]

I use a different mouthpiece for most of my horns, though I sometimes use the same piece for Bb and C trumpet.

[O00Joe]

I definitely do. I generally lke the standard Bach feel for Bb and that Stork sizzle on C. Even then I'll sometimes use different mouthpieces for certain contexts. A VBC. 6BM on Bb for orchestral stuff, Stork XV6 for high Bb stuff, Curry 5BC for low, beefy orchestral C stuff, etc.

I just keep the rims generally the same, around a Bach 5-7 size.
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2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
Akai MPC Live II
Roland JD-Xi
Casio MT-68

[Richard III]

Funny question. Different mouthpieces for different horns. I use different mouthpieces for each horn. I switch a lot depending on mood or aberrant neuron firings in my brain. Or maybe because the wind changes. I don't know, pretty much anything can get me to change. Plus we are talking many different sizes between euphonium and trumpet.

The question comes up on forums often. Does switching mouthpieces cause issues? My experience is that switching often cures issues. But hey, that's coming from the aberrant neuron guy.
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Richard

King 1130 Flugabone
King 12C mouthpiece

[TrumpetMD]

Interesting thread. For me the answer is "no".

IMHO, for this to make sense, you need to be good enough for these equipment changes to actually help. In addition, I think you need to be doing the type of playing where these equipment changes actually make sense.

In my situation, 95% of my playing is Bb trumpet in a jazz trio. There isn't much need for me to consider other horns, let alone matching the right mouthpiece with each horn.

Mike
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Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns.

[zaferis]

Yes, the mouthpiece has to match the instrument as much as it needs to match you. To maximize the potential of each there must be a balance.
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[Yogadidit]

Absolutely! I have found that different horns play better with different mouthpieces. I too like the same rim size. I use GR pieces. I find that I play better with a mouthpiece that balances the resistance of the mouthpiece with the resistance of the horn. Also I use a deeper mouthpiece for a fuller and deeper sound, and a shallower mouthpiece for a brighter sound. But I always give consideration to the resistance issue because when that is balanced I play my best. Too deep a mouthpiece for a horn causes one to over-blow and have a tubby sound, and too shallow for a horn causes a thin sound with articulation problems.
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Yamaha 6330II Cornet
Getzen 895 Eterna Flugel
Dillon Piccolo

[Brassnose]

See my signature for horn/mp combos. I simply found over the years that some pieces match my horns and keep using them. Different mps also help set the individual sounds apart. My rotary sound like a rotary and the piston like a piston. Why would anyone have more than one horn otherwise (ahem ... )?

The only thing I have found to be important is that I seem to like an inner diameter of around 16.5 mm. Except for the bass trumpet, of course.
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1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[chapahi]

Yes. The Callet SC3, a medium shallow double cup type mouthpiece with a 29 throat, is great on the Callet Sima, especially in big band, but way too harsh for pocket trumpet or cornet. The Kanstul pocket trumpet great fun with the Prana B2. These are two different mouthpiece universes.
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[deleted_user_687c31b]

Since I regularly play just 1 trumpet, I can;t say I have but...I did try my current mouthpieces on a few other trumpets and I'll admit they didn't work as well on them as they do on my Olds. Not terrible, but not great either. So I can imagine people'd pick up different mouthpieces for different horns.

[ayryq]

[nieuwguyski]

I use different mouthpieces in different horns -- piccolo trumpet, D trumpet, C trumpet, Bb trumpet, cornet (and it varies on the cornet and type of music), and flugelhorn. While most of the mouthpieces are similar in inner diameter, they don't all have identical rims.

I won't list them all, because that wasn't the question. But I will mention that I almost never use the flugelhorn mouthpiece I own that has exactly the same rim as my trumpet mouthpiece, simply because I prefer a slightly different rim on flugel. And I gig on three different cornets, depending on the gig -- and I use a different mouthpiece on each, all with different rims and none matching any trumpet mouthpiece I own.
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[tuningbell470]

For me it depends. Obviously cornet and flugel need their own mouthpieces and most people would choose something different for piccolo.

I have two cornet mouthpieces, a flugel piece and a piccolo piece, all of which are similar in size to my main yamaha 17B4. My piccolo piece is a slightly shallower V cup and my cornet and flugel pieces are traditional brass band style deep cups. I also have a more trumpetty mouthpiece for the cornet for when the needs arise in orchestral cornet parts. Keeping a similar rim size seems to keep switching simple (for me).

In terms of Bb, C and D/Eb I have two main options: my 17B4 and a denis wick 1.5c that has a large throat. While I only ever really use the 17 on my Bb, I'll generally use the same mouthpiece on my C and Eb, occasionally switching to the Wick when I want a bit less blowing resistance (my Bb takes a lot of air so benefits from a slightly tighter mpc, the others sometimes benefit from a more open piece). Sometimes I'll even pull out the piccolo piece for high orchestral/commercial parts on the Bb/C
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Spencer Heavyweight Bb
Stomvi Elite D/Eb
Yamaha Chicago C Gen 2
Yamaha 6810 Bb/A Piccolo

[B. Scriver]

The horn, mouthpiece, and player all must match in order to have accuracy, sound, and all of that happy stuff.

If something changes, in this case the horn, something else may have to change to maintain that match, or the player will have to manipulate. This may cause an issue with articulation, pitch, sound etc.

For instance, you have a great setup with your Bb trumpet. Now you go to your C trumpet, which has a tighter blow in most cases. Will the same mouthpiece work on that horn, or will you need a mouthpiece with a slightly more open blow to match the resistance of the C?

To keep YOUR chops in their optimal buzzing position, you may certainly need a different mouthpiece in order to get optimal results.

Brian Scriver
www.grmouthpieces.com

[cheiden]

I use different mouthpieces for Bb, picc, cornet, flugel and French horn. I've found little to no advantage in juggling different mouthpieces for any particular horn.
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Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart

[wayben]

I use different MPs with each of the horns to get the sound and feel I'm looking for from each.
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[PMonteiro]

I use different mouthpieces on all my horns, and this is motivated by several factors:

- To have the "right tool for the job"
- To make sure that each horn has a mouthpiece in its case (lest I forget one at home)
- Each horn responds differently to each mouthpiece
- To put some use to the fruits of my mouthpiece safaris

I also like to keep two mouthpieces with every horn for two reasons: (1) to have two tone colors available, and (2) to have a backup in case something happens to the other piece. On each horn, I have a "legit" mouthpiece and a "bright" or "lead" piece. Switching doesn't bother me too much since I'm not hyper sensitive to diameter changes, but everybody is different.
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