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 Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:03 am Post subject: Mt. Vernon 3C trumpet mouthpiece any value? |
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Hello fellow trumpeteer s I came across a strange find it is a Bach Mt. Vernon 3C trumpet mouthpiece trumpet mouthpiece brand new in the traditional black&whitevVincent
Bach stradivariuses boxes with unnopened plastic wrap genuine Elkhart, Indiana on the box. The Mouthpiece is stampped Vnicent Bach corp Mt Vernon 3C since I don't play any more I was hoping an expert can tell me if this mouthpiece has any value and how much I should ask for it? Thank you all |
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giakara
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Time capsule condition for that very popular mpc is super rare , check ebay for similar condition mpcs but if it was mine I will starting the auction with $500.
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Hmmm....
Giakara's value assessment is probably pretty good. However....
I remember there was a thread a while back were there were fake Mt Vernon mouthpieces showing up in "old stock, new boxes." However, they got many of the details wrong and exposed themselves as not genuine. I wonder...
The thing that is making me wonder is:
- I don't think they bothered with plastic wrap in 1960. Seriously.
- The box wouldn't say Elkhart, Indiana. The heritage of the Mt. Vernon mouthpieces are they were made by the Vincent Bach company when it was owned by Vincent Bach. When it was owned by Vincent Bach, the company was based in New York and then later in Mt. Vernon, New York. Not Indiana.
Pictures can help clear this up.
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I don't now about the fakes but at this time a silver plated Mt Vernon 3C in very good condition but not new starts at $499 .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/323858562316
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Irving
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| Giakara that one looks fake. The markings are not correct. On my Mt Vernon 3C there are NO periods anywhere. On this one there are periods and a comma. Buyer beware. |
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| giakara wrote: | I don't now about the fakes but at this time a silver plated Mt Vernon 3C in very good condition but not new starts at $499 .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/323858562316
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That one looks a little sketchy.... 
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Irving wrote: | | Giakara that one looks fake. The markings are not correct. On my Mt Vernon 3C there are NO periods anywhere. On this one there are periods and a comma. Buyer beware. |
I’ve seen genuine ones both ways, some with punctuation, others without. Probably has to do with when they were made.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:46 pm Post subject: Bach Mt Vernon 3CTrumpet mouthpiece value? |
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| O.P. thank you all for your input. Based on all your comments I conclude that the mothpiece I have is a fake Chinese knock off and not aurhentic there is no N.Y!. After Mt.Vernon and the vintage orange and white box isn't included instead is the typical black &white with plastic wrapper which makes it n.ot correrect for the time period. Thank you all also it says Elkhart.Indiana on the box also bogus. |
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| Dale Proctor wrote: | | Irving wrote: | | Giakara that one looks fake. The markings are not correct. On my Mt Vernon 3C there are NO periods anywhere. On this one there are periods and a comma. Buyer beware. |
I’ve seen genuine ones both ways, some with punctuation, others without. Probably has to do with when they were made. |
Of 3 I have, none has a comma. One has 3 periods. Mine are all from goodwill buys, so lesser chance of fake. But they are all 10 1/2C, which is apparently much less valuable than the 3C. |
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| theslawdawg wrote: | | giakara wrote: | I don't now about the fakes but at this time a silver plated Mt Vernon 3C in very good condition but not new starts at $499 .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/323858562316
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That one looks a little sketchy.... |
I’ve had a couple like this, and can confirm the “.” And “,” can appear on the same authentic MV mouthpieces. The fake ones circulating last year cut out a few words, and I believe had totally different lettering. The one in the ebay auction looks replated, but a genuine Bach Mt Vernon mouthpiece.
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| I_play_trmpt wrote: | | theslawdawg wrote: | | giakara wrote: | I don't now about the fakes but at this time a silver plated Mt Vernon 3C in very good condition but not new starts at $499 .
https://www.ebay.com/itm/323858562316
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That one looks a little sketchy.... |
I’ve had a couple like this, and can confirm the “.” And “,” can appear on the same authentic MV mouthpieces. The fake ones circulating last year cut out a few words, and I believe had totally different lettering. The one in the ebay auction looks replated, but a genuine Bach Mt Vernon mouthpiece. |
Thanks, Hunter!
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I've got a Mt. Vernon Bach 2 3/4C.  |
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