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| Hello everyone, maybe someone can help me out, I do most of my practice late at night like 1 or 2 a.m so I really need a mute that can really mute or silence the sound ,I've tried the electronic mutes and those really expensive ones and they just don't work, maybe someone has come across one brand that really works for that type of situation like mine, Thank You |
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If you don't need it to be dead quiet, I'm fond us just practicing with a Harmon/Bubble mute, stem removed. It's unlikely to wake the neighbors but could annoy folks in the same house.
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zombinator01
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| Thank You cheiden but I do have 4 more people in the house |
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theslawdawg
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: Real mute |
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| zombinator01 wrote: | | Hello everyone, maybe someone can help me out, I do most of my practice late at night like 1 or 2 a.m so I really need a mute that can really mute or silence the sound ,I've tried the electronic mutes and those really expensive ones and they just don't work, maybe someone has come across one brand that really works for that type of situation like mine, Thank You |
Wallace mute.
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zombinator01
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| Thank You theslawdawg,,but what Wallace model would it be? |
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In my experience (I haven't tried the Wallace) - the mute you're talking about doesn't exist.
All practice mutes suck. Some suck less by having decent intonation or less resistance, but are usually a bit louder - and they still sound like crap. The electronic ones help the sound by processing in some resonance while being quite, but are still resistant.
https://www.everythingtrumpet.com/practice-mute-comparison-survey-by-bill-dishman
Kudos to the late Bill Dishman for the above chart.
I have an old H&B Manny Klien, it's alright but a bit stuffy.
I blew on the ProTec Liberty, wasn't too bad.
I didn't like the Wick or the Jo-Ral at all.
I own a Hickman Sotto Voce, haven't used it a ton, didn't buy to as a practice mute.
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theslawdawg
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| zombinator01 wrote: | | Thank You theslawdawg,,but what Wallace model would it be? |
It's their practice studio mute. It might make things tolerable for the other four in the house.
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lgt0412
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| theslawdawg wrote: | | zombinator01 wrote: | | Thank You theslawdawg,,but what Wallace model would it be? |
It's their practice studio mute. It might make things tolerable for the other four in the house. |
Yes!! The Wallace is THE best practice mute made!! IMHO
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Anything other than open sound and playing freely will suck, and I don't think is good to always practice in a harmon mute or any other mute, but I understand the problem and have experienced myself (the urge to play at 11 pm is no joke).
I use a cheap renuzit home made mute that is way better than a bach practice mute.
Another option I have been considering is building a cheap mute tube which I found very detailed descriptions in TH if I remember correctly. The basic Idea is building a tube or cone big enough to fit the bell of the trumpet inside, and stuff it with isolating foam. Here is a link of a "pro mute tube" for a reference:
http://www.mute-tube.com/en/mute-tube-shop/mute-tube-basic-komplett-set
best.
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kehaulani
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I orded a Wallace and they got back to me saying that during the Corona Virus period, they would not be processing any orders.
I was going to post that Dishman list also. I am in a situation where any sound leakage is frowned on. I use a Best Brass mute.
BTW, in my experience, a harmon mute is louder than many on Dishman's list.
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zombinator01
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| Thank You all for your help and advice …and will check that list also |
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cheiden
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Trumcor Lyric Stealth is a pretty nice blowing mute. It's pretty darn quiet with much better intonation than many. I don't own one but the one I tried felt pretty alright to play on. Lots of others feel kind of lousy.
https://www.trumcor.com/product/trumpet-lyric-stealth
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cgaiii
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Real mute |
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| zombinator01 wrote: | | Hello everyone, maybe someone can help me out, I do most of my practice late at night like 1 or 2 a.m so I really need a mute that can really mute or silence the sound ,I've tried the electronic mutes and those really expensive ones and they just don't work, maybe someone has come across one brand that really works for that type of situation like mine, Thank You |
I have had the best luck with the Eazy Bucket Trumpet Silencer:
https://www.dillonmusic.com/eazy-bucket-trumpet-silencer-mute/
I use it when I travel. It is about the quietest mute I have been able to find that does not distort too badly.
There was another thread here that posted a site with comparisons of practice mutes. cheiden posted the following.
https://everythingtrumpet.com/practice-mute-comparison-survey-by-bill-dishman
Good information. The Eazy Bucket Silencer scores very high here.
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kehaulani
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Real mute |
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I can't remember disagreeing with cgaiii, but I had that mute and as I remember it, while it wasn't loud, it had a buzz that was penetrating so I quit using it.
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theslawdawg
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Real mute |
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| cgaiii wrote: | | zombinator01 wrote: | | Hello everyone, maybe someone can help me out, I do most of my practice late at night like 1 or 2 a.m so I really need a mute that can really mute or silence the sound ,I've tried the electronic mutes and those really expensive ones and they just don't work, maybe someone has come across one brand that really works for that type of situation like mine, Thank You |
I have had the best luck with the Eazy Bucket Trumpet Silencer:
https://www.dillonmusic.com/eazy-bucket-trumpet-silencer-mute/
I use it when I travel. It is about the quietest mute I have been able to find that does not distort too badly.
There was another thread here that posted a site with comparisons of practice mutes. cheiden posted the following.
https://everythingtrumpet.com/practice-mute-comparison-survey-by-bill-dishman
Good information. The Eazy Bucket Silencer scores very high here. |
Thank you for this. Looks like the Best Brass Warm Up mute is the king with all 10s. Sadly, I had that mute, and I didn't feel that way. It was a REALLY good mute but I prefer the Wallace (so I sold the BB).
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kehaulani
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I don't think you can get a Wallace during the Corona. If any one finds a source and the source has more than one, please let me know. Thanks.
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| kehaulani wrote: | | I don't think you can get a Wallace during the Corona. If any one finds a source and the source has more than one, please let me know. Thanks. |
I know someone who bought one about a month or so ago from a listing on Reverb. It is a listing from a music store and they still have them according to the listing. Just search for Wallace practice mute when you get to Reverb.
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Hands down, Bremner ShhhMute.
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cgaiii
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Real mute |
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| kehaulani wrote: |
I can't remember disagreeing with cgaiii, but I had that mute and as I remember it, while it wasn't loud, it had a buzz that was penetrating so I quit using it. |
No, don't remember disagreeing. I think I bought it based on that chart. It gets all 10s.
I do not have any trouble with buzzing. I have used it in a lot of hotel rooms without any problem. I think I even got away with a short careful session when my wife was asleep. I wonder if the buzz you got depends on the trumpet.
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cgaiii
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Real mute |
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| theslawdawg wrote: |
Thank you for this. Looks like the Best Brass Warm Up mute is the king with all 10s. Sadly, I had that mute, and I didn't feel that way. It was a REALLY good mute but I prefer the Wallace (so I sold the BB). |
The Eazy Bucket Silencer is the other one that gets all 10s, but as you can see above YMMV. I chose between the two because of price.
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