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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:10 am    Post subject: Balkan brass Reply with quote

Hi there,

My student is into Balkan brass and I'm guiding him through transcribing some tunes, I am finding tuning an issue. There's a tune by Boban I Markovic called Sat (which means time incidentally) - check it out, it's amazing!

A lot of these recordings are way off A440 and more often than not the relative tuning is far from our equal temperament. I guess the rotary valve horns are more flexible in pitch, but any other ideas than 'suck it up' and bend em notes??
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoy Balkan Brass and similar groups
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know any who play 'in tune'?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try alternate fingerings. Pay attention to the chord structure of the phrases, and try the alternate fingerings that most closely match the chords.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That song is cool, I had forgotten about it. I went through a phase where I was digging all of that music. If I push my slide in a bit, I don't have any trouble playing in tune with that recording "Sat." No secret tricks, just getting the ears in tune with it. The only little trick I'd suggest would be singing along with the recording before you play along with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be honest, it's considerably more than just being 'in tune' with the recording. In the main melody the fs are extremely sharp. Then when the horns harmonise the main melody, the top harmony d written for B flat is also very sharp. Ive found 1&3 are the correct choice for those. And loads of matching the intonation. It's a long way from A440 and equal temperament!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donjon wrote:
I'll be honest, it's considerably more than just being 'in tune' with the recording. In the main melody the fs are extremely sharp. Then when the horns harmonise the main melody, the top harmony d written for B flat is also very sharp. Ive found 1&3 are the correct choice for those. And loads of matching the intonation. It's a long way from A440 and equal temperament!

Perhaps somebody who knows more than I can chime in, but I really don't think it's that big of a difference or a special tuning system. It's just sharp. Plenty of old jazz recordings are way out of tune because of the recording, as well as featuring lots of personality in where to place the pitch. When you transcribe them you just... copy it. If you can sing it in tune you can play it in tune.
If you listened to this without trying to play it, you would probably not be talking about how strange the intonation is. It is consistently sharp but it sounds fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

visit Guca in Serbia next year. You will learn more than with many teachers.

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