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WildWilly
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:49 am    Post subject: Trumpet Historians Help Needed Reply with quote

As I mentioned in another thread, I purchased an antique Gretsch Pathfinder trumpet for a sentimental reason . . . my very first instrument was a Gretsch Pathfinder trumpet. I know that all Gretsch trumpets were stencils but I can't find any info telling who actually made them. I also have a serial number but can't find any info about that. Any historians who can point me in the right direction to research this waltz down memory lane horn?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:21 am    Post subject: Pathfinder Reply with quote

Probably made by Conn.

Designed as a 2nd line instrument and stencil model. Sold to dealers to circumvent Conn brand in other music stores in same area.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gretsch used a lot of Pan American stencils. They also branded some instruments "Rex", which then gets theirs confused with the Rex brand of Bryant-Newell in Detroit. To learn more about a given Gretsch horn, you need to provide photos and detailed information to give anyone a fighting chance of figuring out where it was made (valve block in particular)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldSchoolEuph wrote:
Gretsch used a lot of Pan American stencils. They also branded some instruments "Rex", which then gets theirs confused with the Rex brand of Bryant-Newell in Detroit. To learn more about a given Gretsch horn, you need to provide photos and detailed information to give anyone a fighting chance of figuring out where it was made (valve block in particular)

I've tried to post pics but I have to crop them so much it's hard to tell what's pictured.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without photos, I cant begin to guess what you might have.

Gretsch began, and remarkably continues today (with a brief interruption when they were owned by Baldwin Pianos from 1967-1984) as a family-owned US-based maker of laminated wood based instruments (Percussion and mandolin family instruments such as guitars, banjos, etc.). Gretsch brass were all stencils as far as I have seen.

The best resource I know of for information on Gretsch is Jon Patton’s work at www.brasshistory.net. He has listed as identified stencils horns from ART, Blessing, Bohland & Fuchs, CMI, Pan American (Conn), and Pedler. In addition, he quotes Fred W. Gretsch as saying Couesnon built a lot of the Gretsch horns a century ago.

History: http://www.brasshistory.net/Gretsch%20History.pdf

Identified serials list: http://www.brasshistory.net/Gretsch%20Brass%20List.pdf

Company website: https://www.gretsch.com/
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Ron. Exactly what I was looking for.
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