One dent effecting the whole horn?

[thesplitmeister]

My third valve slide gel out the other day while I was stood up and playing outside so it fell from a height and hit paving slabs. The dent it noticeable and I was expecting maybe some tuning issues with anything using the third valve but ever since it feels like the whole horn has changed. More stuffy in upper and lower register and some tuning not sitting where I expect it to. Could this be a thing or is it all in my mind and Im just having a few bad days playing? If it is a thing can it be fixed with a simple trip to a local repairer or do I need to find a specialist?
Best wishes
Jim[/b]

[deleted_user_687c31b]

When I put a marching band music holder on my Olds Recording, it dampens the tone noticably (even to other people listening). There are players that claim a water key screw being to tight or the 2nd key valve reversed affects the sound. Maybe your slide got bent a little too and it now clamps the pipes together. So yeah, I believe it could actually be a thing.

You could ask the local repairer to take a look at it, because they won't need to touch the actual horn to fix it. Worst case scenario is that you just need to get a new slide.

[Jerry]

[James Becker]

Truth be told, your 3rd slide is hyper sensitive to changes that will effect your entire trumpet. I’ve experimented with different temperament of Bach 3rd slide end crooks and the results are dramatic. If repairing and aligning with no tension doesn’t return it to like before, you may need a new crook or end slide assembly.
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[epoustoufle]

There's a page with lots of little tricks you can do to adjust your horn. Here it is:

http://www.grawlin.com/41801/index.html

I remember going through them one by one and TBH they didn't make a difference for me. Except I do leave the 2nd value reversed.... maybe it's become superstition now

[Ronnman]

Jim,
Check the easy things first. If you have a spit valve on the third slide, make sure the cork is sealing properly and the valve hasn’t been bent or moved out of position. Make sure there is no binding at the pivot point. Loosen the screw holding the spit valve and recheck. Try various Levels of tightness on the spit valve screw and see if there is any difference.

Can you post a pic of the slide damage? You may get some additional advise.
Ron
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[LittleRusty]

[improver]

Here is a novel idea. Get the dent taken out. It will blow great then. I dropped my Harmon on my committe leadpipe and put a little dent in it, it also changed the blow. I got the dent taken out and voila!

[cheiden]

I've dropped and substantially dented my 3rd slide with no noticeable effect. Doesn't mean your dent won't, but it's not a given.
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[Ed Kennedy]

[Bflatman]

My opinion is the third slide has radically altered the intonation on the third slide only.

This is misleading because we rely upon a consistent embouchure across all slides.

Before the accident the embouchure you used for the third slide notes was the same as the embouchure you used for the first and second.

No more

The third slide very probably has forced a change to your embouchure and blow to cope with the third slide change. And this is now affecting your embouchure and blow across the entire instrument.

Think about it you now require different playing for the third slide to negotiate the notes. How can this not affect your playing of the first and second slide notes as well.

It is not you and it is you.

Just as soon as you get that slide repaired your embouchure will settle down once again.

[LittleRusty]

[kehaulani]

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[wilder]

the 3rd valve tubing only comes into play when the 3rd valve is down. anyway, just bring your slide to a local repair shop and get the dent fixed. its easy and cheap. jw

[Bflatman]

Think again

The only damage is to the third slide - nothing else is damaged.

If the damaged slide were exerting enough pressure to affect any other part of the instrument he would not have been able to reinsert it.

The player says he cannot play the instrument at all. I trust that.

He is suffering some profound effect of trying to play what is in reality an unplayable instrument.

I have been around and over the years I have appeared on stage more than a few times and I have laid an egg enough times to know the power of the mind in disturbing the embouchure and rendering me unable to play and a gibbering wreck when even a small disruption happens.

These days my performances are more robust but it takes a lot of appearances to reach this level of confidence and I mean a lot.

A sweetly performing instrument is a joy but even the slightest damage can render playing almost impossible. I well recall sticking valves on stage more than once and wishing a hole would swallow me up as I lurched from stuffy tone to labored squeak to half valved gut wrenching puke if a note.

We are talking soloing here and there is nowhere to hide when you solo.

Having to deal with a totally unplayable part of an instrument can disrupt the entire instrument and stop me playing anything on the goddam plumbing accessory we laughingly call a trumpet.

Do not underestimate the power of the mind to stop us functioning when disaster strikes.

We can compensate for many issues and successfully mask them so the audience has no idea that we suffer, we have great difficulty masking and compensating for other more serious faults like a flattened third slide that we have to blow our guts out and start farting loudly with the pressure and effort to get a squeak or any sound at all out of the central heating pipes of the devil.

I can imagine just how how tough this instrument is to play for the OP why can you guys not imagine this.

I trust the OP that he is going through hell with this flattened slide. That will be death to his hard won skill his embouchure and his playing ability.

Forget my earlier post, I will make it easy on you guys, substitute this.

The third slide is damaged, fix it.

[LittleRusty]

Ok.

[Bflatman]

Ha ha ha ha

I like you rusty I was not taking a pot at you

I do tend to be a little forthright and direct sometimes it is perhaps a failing if mine.

I am a trumpeter and that means my head is sometimes up my ass.

[OldSchoolEuph]

[kehaulani]

[cheiden]

I've been told that the section of the bell right where it enters the valve block is one of the more sensitive to damage.
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