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 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:51 pm Post subject: old Getzen valve spring softer than current? |
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I remember that the Getzen instruments I tried a few years ago had softer valves than my Lawler. Today at the bigband rehearsal I tried the valves of an Eterna of a new guy and found the same difference.
Is there a possibility to get the these softer springs?
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| What did Lawler say when you emailed them? |
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stephan
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | What did Lawler say when you emailed them? |
I never emailed him for this
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| stephan wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | What did Lawler say when you emailed them? |
I never emailed him for this |
Might be a good idea, no? |
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stephan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | stephan wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | What did Lawler say when you emailed them? |
I never emailed him for this |
Might be a good idea, no? |
Not sure, I believe that this question is more for Getzen.
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LittleRusty
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| stephan wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | stephan wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | What did Lawler say when you emailed them? |
I never emailed him for this |
Might be a good idea, no? |
Not sure, I believe that this question is more for Getzen. |
I don't understand. I thought your horn was a Lawler. If so, asking the maker, especially a craftsman who builds custom horns, seems to be the best way to find springs that meet your expectations and work with the instrument.
But you could simply switch out your springs with the ones from the Getzen you tried to see if they fit. If so, then I am sure you can find them for sale. |
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | I don't understand. I thought your horn was a Lawler. |
Doesn't Lawler use Getzen valve assemblies?
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| oxleyk wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | I don't understand. I thought your horn was a Lawler. |
Doesn't Lawler use Getzen valve assemblies?
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Wouldn't Roy know for sure which valve assembly was used on that particular horn? 
Why not just email him? The email address is in the link I posted |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: old Getzen valve spring softer than current? |
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| stephan wrote: | I remember that the Getzen instruments I tried a few years ago had softer valves than my Lawler. Today at the bigband rehearsal I tried the valves of an Eterna of a new guy and found the same difference.
Is there a possibility to get the these softer springs? |
You are right. The newer Getzen valve springs I've been buying from Allied Supply are unpleasantly stiff. The older ones are softer, and not just because they are old - they had less tension to begin with. I don't know the answer - maybe Adam Getzen can enlighten us.
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stephan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:22 am Post subject: Re: old Getzen valve spring softer than current? |
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| yourbrass wrote: | | stephan wrote: | I remember that the Getzen instruments I tried a few years ago had softer valves than my Lawler. Today at the bigband rehearsal I tried the valves of an Eterna of a new guy and found the same difference.
Is there a possibility to get the these softer springs? |
You are right. The newer Getzen valve springs I've been buying from Allied Supply are unpleasantly stiff. The older ones are softer, and not just because they are old - they had less tension to begin with. I don't know the answer - maybe Adam Getzen can enlighten us.
-Lionel |
Thank you Lionel
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Roy Lawler send me "softer" valve springs for my TL5. My new C7 is on his way and it will came with standard and "soft" springs set. With soft springs the valves are so fast you can't believe it!
Ask Lawler it will help.
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Thank you Locutus2K for this valuable information, I just emailed Roy.
Sorry LittleRusty, I was persuaded that it wasn't the right way.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:43 am Post subject: Re: old Getzen valve spring softer than current? |
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| yourbrass wrote: | | stephan wrote: | I remember that the Getzen instruments I tried a few years ago had softer valves than my Lawler. Today at the bigband rehearsal I tried the valves of an Eterna of a new guy and found the same difference.
Is there a possibility to get the these softer springs? |
You are right. The newer Getzen valve springs I've been buying from Allied Supply are unpleasantly stiff. The older ones are softer, and not just because they are old - they had less tension to begin with. I don't know the answer - maybe Adam Getzen can enlighten us.
-Lionel |
First I've heard of this. I will check into it and get back with a response.
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stephan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:58 am Post subject: Re: old Getzen valve spring softer than current? |
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| Adam R. Getzen wrote: | | yourbrass wrote: | | stephan wrote: | I remember that the Getzen instruments I tried a few years ago had softer valves than my Lawler. Today at the bigband rehearsal I tried the valves of an Eterna of a new guy and found the same difference.
Is there a possibility to get the these softer springs? |
You are right. The newer Getzen valve springs I've been buying from Allied Supply are unpleasantly stiff. The older ones are softer, and not just because they are old - they had less tension to begin with. I don't know the answer - maybe Adam Getzen can enlighten us.
-Lionel |
First I've heard of this. I will check into it and get back with a response. |
Thank you for your interest
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LittleRusty
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| stephan wrote: | Thank you Locutus2K for this valuable information, I just emailed Roy.
Sorry LittleRusty, I was persuaded that it wasn't the right way. |
No problem.
Roy has a good reputation on here as someone who takes care of customers. There are others I would never hesitate to contact, like Getzen (Mary) or Trent Austin.
Perhaps if I had said that up front? |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: old Getzen valve spring softer than current? |
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| Adam R. Getzen wrote: | | yourbrass wrote: | | stephan wrote: | I remember that the Getzen instruments I tried a few years ago had softer valves than my Lawler. Today at the bigband rehearsal I tried the valves of an Eterna of a new guy and found the same difference.
Is there a possibility to get the these softer springs? |
You are right. The newer Getzen valve springs I've been buying from Allied Supply are unpleasantly stiff. The older ones are softer, and not just because they are old - they had less tension to begin with. I don't know the answer - maybe Adam Getzen can enlighten us.
-Lionel |
First I've heard of this. I will check into it and get back with a response. |
Adam - did you ever find out about the new/old springs? The springs on my new 800S seem stiffer than those on my old 700S. I'd like to try the lighter ones on the cornet if I could find some.
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: old Getzen valve spring softer than current? |
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| Shifty wrote: | | Adam R. Getzen wrote: | | yourbrass wrote: | | stephan wrote: | I remember that the Getzen instruments I tried a few years ago had softer valves than my Lawler. Today at the bigband rehearsal I tried the valves of an Eterna of a new guy and found the same difference.
Is there a possibility to get the these softer springs? |
You are right. The newer Getzen valve springs I've been buying from Allied Supply are unpleasantly stiff. The older ones are softer, and not just because they are old - they had less tension to begin with. I don't know the answer - maybe Adam Getzen can enlighten us.
-Lionel |
First I've heard of this. I will check into it and get back with a response. |
Adam - did you ever find out about the new/old springs? The springs on my new 800S seem stiffer than those on my old 700S. I'd like to try the lighter ones on the cornet if I could find some. |
Bump. Two years on, my 800S springs are WAY stiffer than my older 700S. Is there a way to get the older springs?
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| Email Bret Getzen. You could just swap the springs out on the two horns. |
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| Ed Kennedy wrote: | | Email Bret Getzen. You could just swap the springs out on the two horns. |
I PMed Adam asking him what he discovered. |
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| Ed Kennedy wrote: | | You could just swap the springs out on the two horns. |
Then I'd have stiff springs in my trumpet.  
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